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... NT buys iconic Lakes pub and it's going to run it too.
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Tall PC
31/05/2012 at 19:36
Just a shame if what I heard is true. They've tied in with a certain distribution group for their beer which means they're now limited in the available beers. Apparently all the old beers they used to sell are out. So goodbye local, Cumbrian brews!!! Let's hope it's not all replaced with Theakstons rubbish or worse...Fosters, Carling black label and Stella!!!
Paddy Dillon
31/05/2012 at 22:14
The National Trust aren't new to the pub business. For donkey's years they've been running the Crown Liquor Saloon in the heart of Belfast.
That bastard Skip
01/06/2012 at 07:23
The Sticklebarn Tavern is pretty much OK (if a trifle impersonal and touristy) so few changes the NT need make as far as I can see. But I prefer the ODG meself.
WiredAndTeary
01/06/2012 at 09:02
Paddy Dillon wrote (see)
The National Trust aren't new to the pub business. For donkey's years they've been running the Crown Liquor Saloon in the heart of Belfast.

The NT are certainly not new to the business - I understand they own 30-40 pubs now. The first was the   Fleece at Bretforton which they were bequeathed in 1977 when the owner Miss Lola Taplin died. 

Its not always good news, they took over a pub I often frequented in  my student days, the galleried coaching inn, the George in Southwark  It received a  bland renovation which greatly extended the bar area, added a  restaurant, stripped out most of the character and has become an ultra expensive food led tourist honeypot with few pretensions of being a proper pub. It must make them a mint, but it was a great shame.

Edited: 01/06/2012 at 09:04
Jon Doran
01/06/2012 at 10:20
[i]just a shame if what I heard is true. They've tied in with a certain distribution group for their beer which means they're now limited in the available beers. Apparently all the old beers they used to sell are out. So goodbye local, Cumbrian brews!!! Let's hope it's not all replaced with Theakstons rubbish or worse...Fosters, Carling black label and Stella!!![/i]

Their release actually stresses that the're going to be using 'local, local' produce and beer, so let's see what happens on that front eh. They're running a launch later this month when apparently all will be revealed...

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

Suzanne Elsworth
01/06/2012 at 11:09
Don't worry TP - you've heard the wrong rumour re Sticklebarn's beers! Five out of the six handpulled beers on offer will be from independent Cumbrian breweries. We've got a real commitment to local suppliers - our lamb is sourced from the valley and our coffee comes from Farrer's in Kendal, and that's just two examples. Oh, and take your point about the Foster's - it's already gone! We've replaced it with some rather special lagers (and managed to maintain the existing prices too.) Fancy joining us for a pint sometime?
Jon Doran
01/06/2012 at 11:34
Hi Suzanne, thanks for the update on that front

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Moonlight Shadow
01/06/2012 at 11:56
Good news from Suzanne. Hope those local products are put to good use in the kitchen, the last time I had a burger there, about a year ago, I found myself comparing the experience to those catering vans outside football grounds...
Tall PC
01/06/2012 at 20:08
I hope it's true but I got my negative view from a national trust employee. Can't remember the details but the beer part was quite negative. To be fair I did get told they were going to invest a lot in it. Heard the outside toilets were also being done up to a high standard. The food too shld get better is another positive. I just hope the beer is going to be gd.
Tbh I've had questionable food.from stickle in the past. Odg food is no better. A year or so ndg got new chef and their food became reasonable and quite gd. The chef was a friend of a friend of a.friend.
I'm not a fan of odg. Overrated. Had too many pissups and locking there so finding the lack of seating, bloody uncomfortable seating for my height and Mardy staff a bit grating. Overall Langdale valley bores me nowadays. Case of been there, done it...over and over again. Still, stickle is great if they have that Geordie act who sings, plays guitar/keyboard and tells stories/jokes. He's been there a few times and he's funny. I hope they put on moreacts like that in the future.
Mrs. Nesbit
01/06/2012 at 20:17
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Mrs. Nesbit
01/06/2012 at 20:23

I saw the headline and photo and thought "Please, not the ODG"

Always found the Stickle Barn way too sanitised and friendly knowledgeable bar staff will do nowt to sell it to me.

Much prefer the spit and sawdust ODG with it's surly and knowledgeable staff

Paddy Dillon
01/06/2012 at 20:31
TP wrote (see)
Overall Langdale valley bores me nowadays.

Go and wash out your mouth with neat Domestos!

Jon Doran
01/06/2012 at 20:36
I heard from someone who should know that the Trust is planning to paint the whole valley in brighter colours to add greater visual appeal for those who've become jaded with the rather dull greens, browns, and slatey shades. The source told us that the colours will be tasteful, but much more vivid in keeping with the sort of colours now used for top-end technical clothing. The effect should be 'subtle but distinctive'... Acid pink was mentioned.

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Tall PC
01/06/2012 at 21:34
Is that acid pink to get more ladies into the countryside Jon?

Sorry Paddy. Duly sterilized my mouth.

I'm planning on a Scottish trip this week so after that perhaps I might appreciate the nice, small scale beauty of the Langdales. I much prefer Coniston coppermines area. I just like the industrial side of Cumbria. I often think the LDNP don't make enough of it's industrial and particularly mining history. I'm seriously thinking of joining one of those mining preservation societies. More shld be done by the landowners such as NT on that part of Cumbria
GOF
02/06/2012 at 11:18
Ah...Paddy...the Crown in Belfast, that takes me back..

TP...if you like industrial mining heritage, get thyself down to Cornwall.
GOF
Tall PC
03/06/2012 at 18:02
Or just explore lead, copper, gold, iron, graphite and numerous rock quarries or mines. Other minerals too. All in Cumbria and the Pennines within a days travelling.
Although I have seen a little of the Cornish industry as well as Pembrokeshire, Snowdonia, peak district and Scottish mining areas in the past. Think the area of Scotland heading up the A74/motorway has a few interesting mining, historical features worthy of a visit.

Back on something slightly related...it would be gd if the NT made more of any mining or other industrial heritage on their land. I mean they're a big Lakeland landowner and in the heritage sector too.
Paddy Dillon
03/06/2012 at 18:38

TP... I never gave much thought to whether the National Trust made much of mining heritage, but I can't recall going anywhere where they'd done anything on those lines.

On the other hand, I know of a huge, wild, empty upland area of England where the National Trust have hardly any presence at all, and yet there are some amazing mining heritage sites. The North Pennines was once the world's greatest producer of lead, and if you head for the part where the counties of Cumbria, Durham and Northumberland meet, you'll find a tiny community in each of those counties that's really made big efforts to show off their lead-mining heritage. Go to Nenthead in Cumbria, Killhope in Durham, and Allenheads in Northumberland, and you'll see what I mean. You could walk round all three of them in a day's walk, but that wouldn't allow much time to explore. Much better if you could spend at least a whole day in each place and have a really good look around.

Glyn
03/06/2012 at 19:21
shld b gd

;)
rodney stacey
16/06/2012 at 18:52
Yea Paddy Ive been there - crackin!
Moonlight Shadow
17/06/2012 at 22:43

Had a great time at the ODG a few weeks ago when the grumpy manager decided he liked me mate and I and offered samples of his (usually superbly kept) ales. Which after a bad night out in the fells quickly had some effect...

Food there is quite ok I think, abundant and tasty enough.

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