Paddy Dillon wrote (see)
The National Trust aren't new to the pub business. For donkey's years they've been running the Crown Liquor Saloon in the heart of Belfast.
The NT are certainly not new to the business - I understand they own 30-40 pubs now. The first was the Fleece at Bretforton which they were bequeathed in 1977 when the owner Miss Lola Taplin died.
Its not always good news, they took over a pub I often frequented in my student days, the galleried coaching inn, the George in Southwark It received a bland renovation which greatly extended the bar area, added a restaurant, stripped out most of the character and has become an ultra expensive food led tourist honeypot with few pretensions of being a proper pub. It must make them a mint, but it was a great shame.
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I saw the headline and photo and thought "Please, not the ODG"
Always found the Stickle Barn way too sanitised and friendly knowledgeable bar staff will do nowt to sell it to me.
Much prefer the spit and sawdust ODG with it's surly and knowledgeable staff
TP wrote (see)
Overall Langdale valley bores me nowadays.
Go and wash out your mouth with neat Domestos!
TP... I never gave much thought to whether the National Trust made much of mining heritage, but I can't recall going anywhere where they'd done anything on those lines.
On the other hand, I know of a huge, wild, empty upland area of England where the National Trust have hardly any presence at all, and yet there are some amazing mining heritage sites. The North Pennines was once the world's greatest producer of lead, and if you head for the part where the counties of Cumbria, Durham and Northumberland meet, you'll find a tiny community in each of those counties that's really made big efforts to show off their lead-mining heritage. Go to Nenthead in Cumbria, Killhope in Durham, and Allenheads in Northumberland, and you'll see what I mean. You could walk round all three of them in a day's walk, but that wouldn't allow much time to explore. Much better if you could spend at least a whole day in each place and have a really good look around.
Had a great time at the ODG a few weeks ago when the grumpy manager decided he liked me mate and I and offered samples of his (usually superbly kept) ales. Which after a bad night out in the fells quickly had some effect...
Food there is quite ok I think, abundant and tasty enough.
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