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A lighter Akto? Would you like to borrow my scales?
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 here we go, its a twist on the theme i suppose.. My atko's lighter than yours....
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 here we go, its a twist on the theme i suppose.. My atko's lighter than yours....
Well, G-jects is lighter than everyone elses by a clear country mile. But then he has accidentally removed half of it!!
Oh and TDS - yes mine is lighter - I cant objectively prove it. I just think it therefore it is
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Oh and TDS - yes mine is lighter - I cant objectively prove it. I just think it therefore it is
yeah i saw that, i like they way he saved weight by cutting that nice half moon in his thermorest too.
actually , thinking about it surly mines the lightest cause I still havnt bought one so it weighs nothin!! bloody ell, is that the time. excuse me whilst i look for hidden treasures in the fridge.
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Humus and cheese no doubt. With a few cherry tomatoes and some sliced apple.
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Burp.
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 right, I can't stand this any longer... ...it's AKTO, not bloody ATKO
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wotever, should hav kept it simple like atta or akka or ab...
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 right, I can't stand this any longer...
OCD gets you like that 
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 go on then .......how much is it? sounds from the north,(past wigan, yep that farr!) uno pricey tent non?  A snip : Ringstind 1  Oh, and by the way The Doubtful Sound is your monicker because you've been to the place or some other reason?
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Thought as much... I aint been to the doubtful sound , ive been to dusky on the track (still pickin the mud out of me ears, awesome tramp though). so . why the doubtful sound. why indeed...
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 right, I can't stand this any longer... ...it's AKTO, not bloody ATKO
Indeed. Atko make superior lawn mowers.
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Indeed. Atko make superior lawn mowers. So , go on then, do you have a green one or a red one?
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I aint been to the doubtful sound , ive been to dusky on the track (still pickin the mud out of me ears, awesome tramp though). Yep, best two months i've ever had walking/exploring was in NZ. so . why the doubtful sound. why indeed... not going to go any further with that one, me thinks 
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Indeed. Atko make superior lawn mowers. So , go on then, do you have a green one or a red one?
I seem to recall it was British Racing Green.
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 LC is a decent tent btw Akto seems over hyped.......
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 Well, to the Akto owners out there: here are a few considerations on the dilemma facing us in our never ending quest to shed kit weight...
I weighed my Akto (2004 model) on my (low tech) kitchen scales. Here's what I got:
Akto plus sac = 1.2Kg
pole + sac = 190g
footprint (original) + sac = 290g
Total: 1.68kg
[I have excluded pegs from the calculations because folks tend to use different pegs. e.g. I replaced the original ones with Titanium ones etc.)
Now, there are some mods one can resort to to pare down weight:
http://www.fibraplex.com/tentpoles2b.asp
1) remove corner struts:
[I haven't checked this myself, but Fibraplex claims the 4 struts weigh 54g)
replace them with carbon fibre struts from Fibraplex:
struts = 18g
new Akto weight = 1.146Kg
2) replace pole
Fibraplex pole = 85g
Cost of the mod = £56 (give or take a dollar or two)
3) replace footprint (if you use one):
http://www.teamio.co.uk/shop/category_9/Groundsheets-_-footprints.html?shop_param=cid%3D9%26
spinnaker footprint = 150g
Cost of the mod = £35
Total new weight: 1.399Kg
So, for the princely sum of £91 one has obtained a net gain of 281g (while undoubtedly weakening the structural capabilities of the Akto: carbon fibres poles can and do snap...).
Further gains can be had by changing guy lines etc.
Not sure where this leaves the poor Akto owner in his quest for a lighter tent though...
Fork out an extra £100 and go for the LC instead? Or go the extra mile for the Photon (which gives you a full kilo of shaved off weight?)
Rounding things up you get something like this:
Original Akto: 1.7 (with footprint)
Mod Akto: 1.4
LC: 940g (without footprint); 1090g (with spinnaker footprint); 1175g (with TN footprint)
[these weights include the peg weight for the TN new 2g each pegs...)
Photon: 790g (without footprint); 940g (with spinnaker footprint); 1025g (with TN footprint)
If you think a footprint is a good idea to keep warm/reduce condensation/increase tent life, the rounded up figures in a nutshell are as follows:
Akto: 1.7
Mod Akto: 1.4
LC: 1.2
Photon: 1.
And that's that...
Food for thought of what?
Ah, decision, decisions...
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150g for a LC spinnaker footprint? Mine weighs 75g
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It is Chris Townsend's scales you want, for he says in this months TGO: "The amazingly low weight of the Laser Competition - less than half that of the similar sized Akto - makes this a very attractive choice ..." Shurely some mistake!
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Well, I suppose if you count the Hilleberg footprint and pegs, you do get to something like 1.8Kg for the Akto and if you assume the official weight for the LC you get something like 940g (w/o footprint)...
Or perhaps CT is rounding up Hilleberg's official packed weight (w/o footprint) of 1.5Kg and is comparing it to the LC 'minimum weight' (which I think exclude the pole cover) of 860g.
Btw, I'm afraid in my final comparison I mixed 'n matched footprints (by mishtake!), so if they all go for Matt's spinnaker's footprint the weight comparison would be something like:
Akto 1.465Kg
Akto mod 1.324Kg
LC 1.015Kg
Photon 865
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