I am after some good walking trousers for a mountain trek, ideally water/wind resistant so I do not have to resort to my waterproofs that much. I would like a year round trouser (supplimented by a baselayer if needed) rather than a winter trouser. Has anyone got any recommendations? - I am currently considering Rab treklite or possibly Montane terra (For the latter, I realise that quite a few do not like the coloured knees but they do have an all black version). Does anyone have a preference or even another make I should consider?
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Jon, i have the montane terra, all black of course, and they are very comfortable to wear and quite wind and water resistant.
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 Jon, I'm a montane freek (maybe not) but most of my kit is from them. I've got the terra lite pants and the terra stretch pants. The lites for spring through to autumn and climbing but they are windproof like the standard terra pants and I use the stretch pants for winter as they are more windproof and repel water well. They have all the vents like the terra pants but a bit more hard wearing in my opinion. I've used them without baselayers but will probably invest in those this year to uprate the warmth temperature. Can't comment on the rab ones. Montane kit rocks 
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 I have both, Jon, but tend to wear the Terrapants more often than the Treklites. In fact I bought a second pair of them!!
Terrapants: positives - pockets that zip up; zipped vents on thighs; I'd say shower resistant rather than water resistant, and you have to tx-direct them at that. Negatives: Montane's strange concept of 'short' British women's legs; technical ankle means you can't take them up; coloured knees (which is one reason I bought the all-black pair). Treklites: positives - easily adjustable leg-length because of non-technical ankle; 'normal' look so fine for lounging around the pub as well as on the hill; stretchiness of fabric is very comfy. Negatives: not as weather-resistant as Terrapants; no way to vent; pockets don't zip up - which means no good except for tissues cos I wouldn't want to risk losing anything.
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 I have Rab VR pants and Trek lite pants as well the VR pants are really comfy and put up with atrocious weather last weekend. the treklites are more for days when i dont think the heavens are going to open and be freezing cold i like the montane stuff it just didnt sit right on me. I have a small pelvis and so the montane crotch cut was too low and flappy for me whereas teh Rabs was just right
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 I use Mountain Hardwear Pack Pants (though they are trousers, not pants. The claim to be pants is OK though because they're made by a US company. Montane & Rab are British, so they make trousers, not bleedin' pants [/pedant's rant mode]).
Anyway, back on track; the MH kit fits well, dries quickly when wet, pretty windproof, & so on.
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 Pants is a European word. We've been through this so many times. Anyway, I'd buy something with a bit of stretch in it. Haglofs Rabot Flex Pants are my usual choice but there's so many out there, price and fit will be your friend and your enemy.
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 terras are great as are the MHW pack pants. terras - zipped pockets, thigh zips. oh, they're supposed to be water resistant? haven't noticed on mine. pack pants - excellent pockets, things don't fall out of them. excellent back pockets. a caution for terra lites (erm a lighter version of the terras)- for some inexplicable reason there is an angled seam that goes across the knee which i find to be uncomfortable. the best will be those that fit well as the three mentioned above are different sizes. however, the mhw come in two leg lengths (gawd bless short fat americans)
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 I'd give the MHW pack pants a ringing endorsement - I've been using the standard, lite and zip-off versions for several years (and prefer them to my Terras) - but unfortunately they fixed something that wasn't broken this year and re-designed them, changed the cut, the pockets, everything....!!  I haven't tried the new version but they look less practical to me. There was some OM news on them earlier this year.... change to Pack Pants
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 Where I come from they are called kecks and I love my Montane Terra kecks.
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Hello Ian, Hows the littlun! Got a good nights sleep yet? mick
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 Or is it Donalds ??? Donald wheres yr trooosers. Haglofs Rabot Fjell for me a red wine proof DWR treatment is what you need & what they do. Also real comfy & a good technical pant.
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The little un is now 2 and a bit months old she is as cute as anything and as good as gold, I'm getting my full quota of sleep which is nice. I picked up a back pack for her the other day off a kind OMer who donated it to the cause (thanks Rodger) and she will be making good use of it in about 4 months.
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 No, no; kecks are pants...
For all year round? Something in Schoeller Dryskin Extreme.
Or, at the other extreme, a pair of simple, lightweight nylon trousers. The Lowe Houdini, for instance. For me, the right mix of not baggy but not too tight, with crotch gusset for freedom of movement, simple pockets, belt, look like normal trousers, but perform perfectly well outdoors. And £7 from TKM...
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> I picked up a back pack for her the other day
You don't think that's starting her a bit young...?
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 Try soft shell trousrs. For full on witer conditions I find North Face Apex trousers great, bit too hot in summer. All year round I use Berghaus Statis trousers. Soft shell is shower resistant & stretches. Apex trouser is £80 & Statis is £50 on high street. Schoeller is also a good option if you are willing to spend £100+
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Oh, and Jon, if you're a size 32-34, I've got a pair of ACG Schoeller DSE trousers that I'm looking to get rid of; new, didn't fit, from my favourite supplier. A lot, lot less than the £100 suggested above...
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They didn't though!! Obviously someone at Rab realised it was a daft feature for walking trousers!!
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CP we'll start her off with a 4kg base weight and see how she gets on!!
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