lol. i am much heartened paddy. so i'm not the only one who does that. 

i think ch have taken notice of logos as they've swtiched back to the liitle logo on the hip pocket instead of "craghoppers".

Hmmm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6911748.stm

Paddy Dillon wrote (see)

 The true test of a good logo is one that is recognisable even when it's tiny, not one of those where you have BENCH written across your arse, ......., making you look like a complete and utter plonker!

I bought a Corey microfleece full-zip jacket in Debenhams Manchester last week for £15 (all Craghoppers half price) and I agree with Bill - the material is rather fine. I wear Nozzy lites in summer too.

One good thing that the top end brands could do is to emulate Craghoppers sizing policy. trousers are available in FOUR leg lengths.And there is a mere 2inch between the different chest sizes, so its usually possible to find something to fit to taste (even if its not the size you'ld expect).

I went to Manchester with every intention of buying an ME fleece top, but the L (for a 41.5"chest) was just too tight but the XL (for a 45.5" chest) was like a tent.  The 4inch difference between sizes was just too much.

Nowt wrong with Craggies kit.

I have some Kiwi shirts and they are very well made and comfortable in hot conditions.  They are ideal for travel, being easy to wash, quick-drying and need no ironing.

Also, almost all Craghoppers trousers are available in short leg sizes for the vertically-challenged amongst us.  Take note, Montane.

their trouser sizes probably account for them to continue to be best sellers. but that may be perhaps because their customers tend to be older and the bg range was to try to attract a younger customer.

jake, i would have thought that the terras at least would be in a wider range of sizes considering the high praise that continues to be heaped upon them.

as walking is generally a middle aged pastime many companies do not realise that the customers are not all 6' of "athletic" build. strange, as this segment is the one with the time and money to spare.

I am far from the older margin (20s is not old) and have two pairs of Crag Kiwis simply because they are decent trouser for long walks and fairly tough as well.

I wouldn't buy a pair of Craggs with BGs name embroied on them more so from a political angle.  If he were to bring something new based on his experiences into the outdoors market then so be it.

lol u&d. that's because you see craggies as good stuff, which is what they are. and people manage to walk perfectly ok in them without "technical" artifices such as articulated knees. i think they are by far the best value walking/casual trousers out there with well designed features. and they fit!

I use the kiwi aqua dry and zip of trousers and am very pleased with them. i also have Ventile and Goretex and find the Craggs are more practical when the weather is a bit warmer, the aqua are great early in the morning when there is a lot of dew on the grass.

> maybe i rushed into that one a little prematurely

You definition of 'rushing' being 'wait five months before replying to a thread'...

;-)

> One good thing that the top end brands could do is to emulate Craghoppers sizing policy.

You mean the sizing policy that makes S = L in anyone else's range...?

No thanks.  And, no, I'm not a brand snob.  I just don't think that Craghoppers make very good gear*.  The microfleeces are okay, though.

* caveat: not good gear for me; it just doesn't seem to fit.  I'm never terribly impressed by the handle of the fabrics, though.

> the BG xtrme gear is in TKMaxx Halifax now.....on special already

Ditto in other stores.  Is it the equivalent of a film going 'Straight to DVD'...?

do they do trousers in small? thought they were all in waist sizes?

But Caption, there are NO standards for sizing on the small through to XL range. If you buy a suit jacket you would go on your chest size and I really think that all jackets should be sold on the same basis. What would you do if you went to buy a suit and was told that the next size up after 41.5" chest was 45.5"?

Since I had my tape measure out with me on my recent shopping trip, I can tell you that the Craghoppers L size (supposedly for a 42in chest) measured 46in around the chest, the XL (for a 44in chest) measured 48inches. Okay I'm a 44in chest but preferred the trimmer fit of the L size, so bought that, no problem.

The ME fleece size L measured 44 in round the chest, so was skin tight, the XL measured 49inches (baggier than the Craghoppers XL). Big problem there. 

Parky Again wrote (see)

lol. i quite like the trouser fabric. but then i am cheap.

Parky,

all evidence to the contrary, you Tilley-hatted, Paramo-clad dandy, you! 

Actually, I'm with you & Paddy on the branding issue. Afterall... what does branding mean? Burning a mark on your hide to show ownership! No manufacturer owns me, although some are close to my heart.

I would prefer it if all brand labels were loosely sewn onto a discrete part of the kit; as they do for off-the-shelf suit jackets. Then I'd razor them all off. These days most labels seem to be embroidered or printed on the clothing and are off limits to my blade.

And on the CH issue, I haven't ever been tempted to try them on. They just don't seem to exude a sense of quality. Not to say they aren't worthy in the field, but they don't appeal to my quest for refinement. Call that snobbery if you like, but it has nothing to do with the branding.