 Skippy - I'd bite at a Ladies Velez Adventure in single colour cobalt or black. Bite very hard, in fact!! Thanks, btw, for coming on here and taking the flak and the suggestions!!
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 "Most of the design/ range team are females." that would account for it then. get some men feedback for colours. the colours of your new stuff is exactly what women think men would look nice in. (witness 3/4 length trousers for men - nearly always bought by women) i've taken a look at the ctalogue and the colours stink for travel/holiday type wear. does anyone actually go anywhere and see what people wear? <end of rant>
Cheek!  Please don't blame the colour-blindness on gender, Parky, I'm female and I also think their colours generally speaking, for both men and women, stink. the colours of your new stuff is exactly what women think men would look nice in Rillocks! (sp) please do not tar all the female gender with that badly-coloured brush. Their new stuff is the opposite of what men would look nice in.... 
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 As close to my beloved Dartmoor as I could afford and between the limestone and Granite. Any ideas? South Devon may narrow it down. Any particlular reason?
I am narrowed down to South Devon as well. Having lived within the beloved Dartmoor and working with the limestone.
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 sorry npc. just trying to make a point. ok then, how about they get monkeys to throw darts at a colour chart? after all, a chimp featured in the top 20 "business analysts" 5 years on the trot in an experiment they ran. the colours are awful. nice try mike! looks like i'll be placing the customary spring order for five pairs of craggy kiwisw again. i wonder if m&s do non iron shirts.....or primark. the upside i guess is that i will now have more money...mmm! gear, gadgets, maps...
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 "i wonder if m&s do non iron shirts." Don't know but they do a half decent "active" zip off pants at £35.  I thought all shirts were non iron.
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NP Parky, and yes, trained monkeys could select better combinations.
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i wonder if m&s do non iron shirts They do and I pondered over one today but picked up a 100% cotton instead.
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excellent. a visit to m&s on the morrow then. perhaps paramo could have a competition. a selection of colours we can choose and they'd make "limited" editions of them with a prize of the jacket in "your" colour. that would give them perfect customer feedback for colours. like kate said black or cobalt single colour. how about the parameta shirts in white and pale blue for starters. a white t shirt/top for summer. subzero got my monmey for producing a white t shirt. great fabrics. great performance. crap colours at present. lol jug. all my shirts are non-iron (except the ones the Angel wants to buy me!). if it turns out i need to iron one it gets binned. as an aside, i've noticed more people wearing paramo stuff in this part of the world. none of them have been "young" i.e. under 25.
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The non iron ones are cheaper too Parky - more polyester or nylon whatever the mix is.
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like kate said black or cobalt single colour.
We have all been saying that for years. I'm surprised that Big Kev hasn't come back 
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 First off, I'm extremely impressed that people from Paramo are willing to answer directly questions and concerns on this forum. I thought I would therefore give some feedback from the point of view of one of those who has neither made up their mind for or against Paramo gear. After far too many hours on the internet (especially on this site) I am more than convinced that Paramo is at least worth a try and might even be the best outdoor gear you can buy (I have a particular problem in that I live in Belgium so can't just go and see the stuff). But as a potential new Paramo customer I would like to add to those who have said or implied on this and other threads that the Paramo range is confusing and ugly. To give one example, I think the Vasco is the jacket version of the Velez but nowhere is that made clear. They certainly don't look the same. Contrast with the Rab Vapour Rise and Montane Extreme in smock and jacket versions clearly described as such. In terms of colours and looks I would say Paramo is unusual. Other companies make attractive gear in pretty simple colours (normally black, and a blue, a green and a red). Paramo seems to think too much about this aspect. In fact I would suggest that you are succeeding despite your colour and design teams rather than because of them. If you sell all your gear then you might conclude that you are getting it right but I suspect that the gear is so good that you will sell it whatever to a cult following and if you have small runs and sell them all out you are not actually getting any feedback from the market about what people would prefer. I am sure that you don't want to be The North Face and produce "urban wear" for the masses but I suspect that most people, other than a few grognards, would prefer a nice looking and functional garment over just a functional garment given the choice. Wouldn't you like more people to benefit from the excellent functionality of Paramo? You just have to look at what Finisterre did with your fabric to see how it can be done. They certainly did not go for fancy colours. It's no surprise that the Velez is a best seller for you as it is the most attractive garment you have and comes in single, normal colours. All I can say is that the stuff must be good given it succeeds despite the hard to understand technology, the confusing range, the price, the "heat" issue, the small number of sales outlets and the ugly design! I'll have to get some.
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fb - stop talking dirty to me....ooh...polyester; i'll have to go and lie down well put ben. wasn't the velez designed by julie greengrass?
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Parky, you should definitely be in line for a free baselayer or ten from Paramo in whatever colour you want. Though it seems Paramo already understand full well the influence of this site and its regulars.
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 "We have all been saying that for years. I'm surprised that Big Kev hasn't come back" I'm never far away Just stick the words "Paramo" and "Black" in a sentence and you'll have my undivided attention.
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 Kev, As in I'm picking up my all black Paramo Velez Adventure on Monday..... All black Paramo Cascada trousers too... Glad you're a Henry Ford type of guy too. I was beginning to worry I was the only one, as I get quite a lot of abuse for my frequent all black days.
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 Nothing wrong with Johnny Cash.
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is this for your new role as a hill ninja paul? 
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Kev, As in I'm picking up my all black Paramo Velez Adventure on Monday..... All black Paramo Cascada trousers too... Glad you're a Henry Ford type of guy too. I was beginning to worry I was the only one, as I get quite a lot of abuse for my frequent all black days.
Paul,
My quest for an all-black Paramo Stealth Suit is almost done. Probably, like yourself, by Monday afternoon. Parky, Yes.
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Nothing wrong with Johnny Cash. Indeed not. Although my beloved may disagree.
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First off, I'm extremely impressed that people from Paramo are willing to answer directly questions and concerns on this forum. I thought I would therefore give some feedback from the point of view of one of those who has neither made up their mind for or against Paramo gear. After far too many hours on the internet (especially on this site) I am more than convinced that Paramo is at least worth a try and might even be the best outdoor gear you can buy (I have a particular problem in that I live in Belgium so can't just go and see the stuff). But as a potential new Paramo customer I would like to add to those who have said or implied on this and other threads that the Paramo range is confusing and ugly. To give one example, I think the Vasco is the jacket version of the Velez but nowhere is that made clear. They certainly don't look the same. Contrast with the Rab Vapour Rise and Montane Extreme in smock and jacket versions clearly described as such. In terms of colours and looks I would say Paramo is unusual. Other companies make attractive gear in pretty simple colours (normally black, and a blue, a green and a red). Paramo seems to think too much about this aspect. In fact I would suggest that you are succeeding despite your colour and design teams rather than because of them. If you sell all your gear then you might conclude that you are getting it right but I suspect that the gear is so good that you will sell it whatever to a cult following and if you have small runs and sell them all out you are not actually getting any feedback from the market about what people would prefer. I am sure that you don't want to be The North Face and produce "urban wear" for the masses but I suspect that most people, other than a few grognards, would prefer a nice looking and functional garment over just a functional garment given the choice. Wouldn't you like more people to benefit from the excellent functionality of Paramo? You just have to look at what Finisterre did with your fabric to see how it can be done. They certainly did not go for fancy colours. It's no surprise that the Velez is a best seller for you as it is the most attractive garment you have and comes in single, normal colours. All I can say is that the stuff must be good given it succeeds despite the hard to understand technology, the confusing range, the price, the "heat" issue, the small number of sales outlets and the ugly design! I'll have to get some.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's quite funny watching people in shops determined to buy Paramo, and discussing which is the least obnoxious colour. There are always plenty of the unpleasant ones left on the rails (who on earth thought that pale brown or ultra-pale green was appealing? Or orange and grey?). I'm convinced that certain colours only sell once the nicer ones have sold out...
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