I weighed all my stuff last week to get a handle on where all the weight was. My cut down list for a hammocking overnighter is a whopping 10.8kg with 1.5L water for travelling but no food.
_Bivi bag 400 _Hammock 1200 _Tarp+guys+pegs 900 Alpkit Head torch 100 Cobra 75 rucksack 1300 Drinking bladder (filled) 1500 First aid + krabs 600 Folding saw 200 Frosts Mora 100 Mess tins 400 Multitool 200 Sleeping bag (Vango Ultralite 300) 1200 Sleeping mat (Vango self inflating) 1000 Spare clothes (tee/fleece/trou/under/socks) 1400 Walking pole 300
I have quite a heav rucksack which is larger than I need (a 45ish would probably be fine) and my sleeping bag and mat aren't the most lightweight but really the lightest I have at the moment.
I weighed all my stuff last week to get a handle on where all the weight was. My cut down list for a hammocking overnighter is a whopping 10.8kg with 1.5L water for travelling but no food.
_Bivi bag 400 _Hammock 1200 _Tarp+guys+pegs 900 Alpkit Head torch 100 Cobra 75 rucksack 1300 Drinking bladder (filled) 1500 First aid + krabs 600 Folding saw 200 Frosts Mora 100 Mess tins 400 Multitool 200 Sleeping bag (Vango Ultralite 300) 1200 Sleeping mat (Vango self inflating) 1000 Spare clothes (tee/fleece/trou/under/socks) 1400 Walking pole 300
I have quite a heav rucksack which is larger than I need (a 45ish would probably be fine) and my sleeping bag and mat aren't the most lightweight but really the lightest I have at the moment.
Bivi, hammock and tarp together weigh 2.5Kg!!!! You could get a tent and save at least half that weight.
Its not always about the weight when tarping! I've got a small lightweight tarp and bivi bag combo, and I would much rather get a larger tarp for when its looking like particularly bad weather than a tent. I can imagine that with a hammock too it would be a lot more chusty than a tent!
Its not always about the weight when tarping! I've got a small lightweight tarp and bivi bag combo, and I would much rather get a larger tarp for when its looking like particularly bad weather than a tent. I can imagine that with a hammock too it would be a lot more chusty than a tent!
True it's not always about weight.............but where the thread is about base weights I reckon it IS all about weights
True, I don't need the bivvy bag, it's for emergencies so with the hammock+tarp at 2100g I figure it's not a kick in the arse of a cheap solo tent weight but with a tarp that I can use as a shelter. (I'm a more about the camping than hiking).
I weighed all my stuff last week to get a handle on where all the weight was. My cut down list for a hammocking overnighter is a whopping 10.8kg with 1.5L water for travelling but no food.
_Bivi bag 400 _Hammock 1200 _Tarp+guys+pegs 900 Alpkit Head torch 100 Cobra 75 rucksack 1300 Drinking bladder (filled) 1500 First aid + krabs 600 Folding saw 200 Frosts Mora 100 Mess tins 400 Multitool 200 Sleeping bag (Vango Ultralite 300) 1200 Sleeping mat (Vango self inflating) 1000 Spare clothes (tee/fleece/trou/under/socks) 1400 Walking pole 300
I have quite a heav rucksack which is larger than I need (a 45ish would probably be fine) and my sleeping bag and mat aren't the most lightweight but really the lightest I have at the moment.
Bivi, hammock and tarp together weigh 2.5Kg!!!! You could get a tent and save at least half that weight.
I weighed all my stuff last week to get a handle on where all the weight was. My cut down list for a hammocking overnighter is a whopping 10.8kg with 1.5L water for travelling but no food.
_Bivi bag 400 _Hammock 1200 _Tarp+guys+pegs 900 Alpkit Head torch 100 Cobra 75 rucksack 1300 Drinking bladder (filled) 1500 First aid + krabs 600 Folding saw 200 Frosts Mora 100 Mess tins 400 Multitool 200 Sleeping bag (Vango Ultralite 300) 1200 Sleeping mat (Vango self inflating) 1000 Spare clothes (tee/fleece/trou/under/socks) 1400 Walking pole 300
I have quite a heav rucksack which is larger than I need (a 45ish would probably be fine) and my sleeping bag and mat aren't the most lightweight but really the lightest I have at the moment.
Bivi, hammock and tarp together weigh 2.5Kg!!!! You could get a tent and save at least half that weight.
600g first aid kit? are you a paramedic? I used to carry more first aid stuff, then I did a 4 day FA course and the (ex marine) instructor convinced us that knowledge is much more useful than gear.
Max I carry now is few plasters/melonin pads/zinc oxide tape/lavender oil and painkillers Rest can be improvised
what's the multitool for if you have a knife and saw?
Mat seems rather heavy - can get an Alpkit Airic or highlander or gelert that's quite a bit lighter
Why not? You can end up soaked and uncomfortable just as easily at the end of day 1 of an overnighter as at any point in a longer trip.
There are a number of ways to handle this:
1. Keep the same clothes on, put up with the damp, hope they dry on you, hope it isn't too cold while they do.... fine in some circumstances and for some people.
2. Get undressed and get in your sleeping bag. Keeps you warm in the tent/bivi but not so great if you want to wander around, take pics, fetch water, socialise with mates etc. etc. Again it suits some folk as an approach.
3. Carry enough spares to be able to get out of the wet stuff and put dry on. It doesn't have to be as decadent as it sounds, weight wise.... as a minimum I take some merino socks (40g), undies (60g), a Rohan ultralight t-shirt (55g) and for trousers either some Haglofs 'pertex' ones (160g, Montane featherlites are 30g lighter but I don't like them as much), Haglofs Kazas (215g) or, if I'm travelling, some Rohan Essentials (330g, practical for airports, smart enough for hotels and restaurants). So for as little as 315g (or as much as 485g) I can take a complete set of clean, dry clothes. Some portion of my mid-layers, down jacket or Paramo kit, depending what I've taken for daytime use, will be fit to add for more warmth. And all of the spare stuff is functional hill clothing in it's on right should it need to be.
Just like 1. and 2. this approach won't appeal to everyone, but imo spare clothes are a perfectly reasonable item to include.
Yeah, fair points all round. The spares I carry more because I usually walk in just shorts and a baselayer (thats a sight to behold) so it's handy to have a change when it gets chillier in the evenings. The FAK is a store bought one that probably has all sorts of crap in it that I would never use and includes a set of krabs and a firesteel also not essential. The multitool I just like to have and it's not even a decent light one...
I weighed all my stuff last week to get a handle on where all the weight was. My cut down list for a hammocking overnighter is a whopping 10.8kg with 1.5L water for travelling but no food.
_Bivi bag 400 _Hammock 1200 _Tarp+guys+pegs 900 Alpkit Head torch 100 Cobra 75 rucksack 1300 Drinking bladder (filled) 1500 First aid + krabs 600 Folding saw 200 Frosts Mora 100 Mess tins 400 Multitool 200 Sleeping bag (Vango Ultralite 300) 1200 Sleeping mat (Vango self inflating) 1000 Spare clothes (tee/fleece/trou/under/socks) 1400 Walking pole 300
I have quite a heav rucksack which is larger than I need (a 45ish would probably be fine) and my sleeping bag and mat aren't the most lightweight but really the lightest I have at the moment.
Bivi, hammock and tarp together weigh 2.5Kg!!!! You could get a tent and save at least half that weight.
600g first aid kit? are you a paramedic? I used to carry more first aid stuff, then I did a 4 day FA course and the (ex marine) instructor convinced us that knowledge is much more useful than gear.
Max I carry now is few plasters/melonin pads/zinc oxide tape/lavender oil and painkillers Rest can be improvised
what's the multitool for if you have a knife and saw?
Mat seems rather heavy - can get an Alpkit Airic or highlander or gelert that's quite a bit lighter
I weigh in around 8kg for a non winter overnight baseweight with a minimum of spare clothes (long sleeve merino zip, spare merino socks and a rab generator vest) but thats being honest and including everything i can think of (wash kit, dry bags, repair kit etc) on top of that i just add food, gas and normally around 2l of water (probs too much really but i prefer to play it safe). I find this set up very comfortable and not lacking anything my next improvements will be a slightly lighter PHD bag (as my alpkit PD400 is too hot for the height of summer) then probably a new tent at around the same weight of my current one but a sturdier design allowing me to camp more of the year at little weight penalty (currently using a ME AR ultralite 2 but contemplating either an akto or a TN voyager superlite 2009)
Why not? You can end up soaked and uncomfortable just as easily at the end of day 1 of an overnighter as at any point in a longer trip.
There are a number of ways to handle this:
1. Keep the same clothes on, put up with the damp, hope they dry on you, hope it isn't too cold while they do.... fine in some circumstances and for some people.
2. Get undressed and get in your sleeping bag. Keeps you warm in the tent/bivi but not so great if you want to wander around, take pics, fetch water, socialise with mates etc. etc. Again it suits some folk as an approach.
3. Carry enough spares to be able to get out of the wet stuff and put dry on. It doesn't have to be as decadent as it sounds, weight wise.... as a minimum I take some merino socks (40g), undies (60g), a Rohan ultralight t-shirt (55g) and for trousers either some Haglofs 'pertex' ones (160g, Montane featherlites are 30g lighter but I don't like them as much), Haglofs Kazas (215g) or, if I'm travelling, some Rohan Essentials (330g, practical for airports, smart enough for hotels and restaurants). So for as little as 315g (or as much as 485g) I can take a complete set of clean, dry clothes. Some portion of my mid-layers, down jacket or Paramo kit, depending what I've taken for daytime use, will be fit to add for more warmth. And all of the spare stuff is functional hill clothing in it's on right should it need to be.
Just like 1. and 2. this approach won't appeal to everyone, but imo spare clothes are a perfectly reasonable item to include.
Fair point Matt.
Though actually from Jonnos above post they mostly weren't spare as such but just a full set of clothes he wasn't wearing.
I was thinking of an overnighter in summer rather than cooler seasons. I do carry light shorts as well as trousers and wear whichever is pertinent to conditions.
I carry my primaloft jacket for evening wear/pillow all year round anyway, so if totally soaked and too cold to let trousers dry on me, I would end up in photon hoody, shorts and spare socks - I also take a couple of spare carrier bags to wear over the socks and inside my wet shoes... Stylish eh?
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