 I'd be grateful for any feedback from people who've used these in the snow and cold conditions the UK's currently getting. Stability and snow shedding? Internal temperature? Ta.
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 Snow shedding is excellent, and stability in strong winds surprisingly good. You'll need a solid nest though as the mesh ones won't cut it when temperatures plummet, unless you're particularly hard 
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 He's only ever put it up in his back garden. Soft bleedin' northerner. Have you had any snow? 
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Better? Minus 10 on Great End 
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 I used mine last winter (i'm knackered at the moment) and it is a stable design. As long as it is pegged down well, there has been little movement in the windspeeds i've used it in. (Probably up to 40mph) The panels can flap a bit, but i think Bob said earlier in this thread that this years models may have mid-panel tie-outs?
It is a cold shelter though, with a lot of internal space to heat up. I only use mine as a 2 man tent and usually carry the internal nest. This helps cut down on draughts, but doesn't do much temperature wise.
If i'm using the outer on its own, then condensation hasn't been a problem. Any i've had has been minor, and it runs down the walls without dripping.
I haven't experienced any serious snow loading with it, but i imagine it would just slide off the steep side walls. It is a popular winter tent in the US, so snow shouldn't be a problem. If you search BPL.com you'll find lots of info on this, and other 'mids in winter useage.
Using this shelter turned me into a fan of Pyramid style tents, as i love the head-room. For solo use, i've moved onto the MountainLaurelDesigns Duomid and Inner nest. 'Mids are habit forming!
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 Pah - minus a lot more, just a floor, and with some snow on Great End
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Yes. But by your own admission you almost died 
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Well, there is that minor detail
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It's particularly the internal temperature and condensation issues, used sans inner, that interest me. Tests I've done with a max/min thermometer suggest that using an inner tent significantly boosts the warmth of a tent (e.g. by 5+C when it's -15C in the porch), but I quite like the idea of this tent (outside of midge season). I met a couple using a big Norwegian teepee tent back in April - way too heavy for carrying (c.5kg), but they were successfully using a hobo stove inside it, with the smoke exiting through the vents at the top. Anyone tried that with SL3, or alternatively with the stove positioned in an open doorway?
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Somebody has discussed this at some point either here or on BPL Monty - I think it was here and maybe Chris Townsend; perhaps do a search for that? Edit to add: This is it
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.JPG) i c the new shangrala 3 is out on there website looks intresting mid tie outs ect any body have any thoughts on it is it lighter than 2009 model and wot upgrades are on it http://www.golite.com/Product/ProdDetail.aspx?p=370003110&mc=154&t=&lat=
My observations: Has taped seams, silicone/pu coated - hex has just silicone - dunno about current SL3? 'washing line' loops inside - useful - maybe for attaching different bug nest/inner extra tie out loops halfway up seams on outer - possibly unnecessary? - not mid panel tie outss as some have predicted (possibly more useful? like the current sl3 still has v. short mid panel peg loops (are longer - i.e. useable as fitted - on hex) pole is lighter new bumpf says 'two larger vents' but picture shows 3 IMO? outer alone is the same weight as my hex outer (680g) but a little lighter than the current SL3 I think Shangri -la 5 looks nice - the nest is shaped so as to have a porch area
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SL5 looks like a fine shelter for I guess a 2100g setup if you use poles.... The Hex has the internal line tags. The mid peg are not as good as on the Hex. Never felt the need for halfway tie-outs and have used the Hex in serious high-level winds. The vents - a point of weakness on the shelter.
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 shangri la 5. 2 kilos of hotel. (dribbles slightly whilst considering the impracticality)
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With that amount of space you could dribble freely and still have room that was not sticky....
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Do owners of older models think the 2010 version is worth waiting for in view of Bob's current offer? That is, is it worth waiting and paying more for tweaks like (mainly, as far as I can see) the redesigned vents? Either way I'd be getting it from BPL, so don't let that sway your decision.
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Montgomery The only thing that would sway me is that the 2010 model is claimed to be nominally 140g lighter than the old SL3..... The new tie points are, like Ed says above probably unnecessary. (though I've only used mine in 40mph gusts - it was fine) The only other thing I remember is that the Hex has a double slider on the zip, but don't think the old SL3 does - not sure about the newest model. It's a useful feature IMO - when it's really blowy or raining, just slip out of the 'split' rather than crawl out low down - or open the whole door....
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 is it, do you think, a reasonably easy thing to change? just put a new double sliding zip in? 
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I'm sure it's possible Tim - It'll be a YKK zip with spare parts easily available. Probably have to unstitch the top end to fit another slider. Of course,I might be mis-remembering and the SL3 does have a double slider?
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No it doesn't, Mole.
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