It was here: http://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/shop/product.php?xProd=55&xSec=3

Apparently wildtrak is going to be having a Paramo sale this weekend as well.

I'm a bit confused over the Fuera jacket now.

Is it the outer of a normal Paramo jacket (ie without the pump liner!) to which a Taiga fleece can be added in cold conditions? Or is it something else entirely? Is it suitable for UK very wet and warm weather?

I've checked the Paramo site and the reviews section of OM but the penny hasn't dropped yet.

Or am I losing the plot again?

Just out of curiosity, do the other Paramo fleeces, like the Mountain Vent, work as well as the Taiga when worn under the Fuera?

dave, essentially, yes.

crispy, no. the material the mountain vent (and similar) is made from performs a different function. it is incredibly wicking, almost miraculous. it will leave the inside dry ("fluffy" side) whilst the outer is wet. consequently, it is not proofed, otherwise it won't wick.
place a few drops of water on the rough side and watch them disappear to the smooth side. marvellous!

the taiga fleece has a "fluffy" outer shell with a pump liner inside. the whole jacket is proofed, or it wouldn't work.

so, the windproof is the microfibre outer. and the taiga fleece is the pump liner.
because of the taiga fleece outer, the combination is slightly warmer than a straight jacket, but then again, more flexible.

Right, OK. So are there any other Paramo shirts/fleeces which act like the Taiga in terms of having a pump liner, which are less insulating than the Taiga. For summer use, I mean?

Crispy, I have a mountain vent which I use with the Fuera. Seems an excellent combination. The mountain vent is reversible for different insulation, and has vents, so is quite a versatile garment. Except for base layer, the MV is my most worn Paramo item.

In summer I have just worn Paramo base layer and Fuera.

John

Hi JH, would you say it's a pretty waterproof combo then, the mountain vent and the Fuera?

considering the fuera is so heavy, what about wearing a taiga (equally massive) with a proper windproof?

crispy, easy answer, no!

the sort of protection you need in summer depends entirely on what you do.

it will boil down to trial and error as to what you find comfortable and what works for you.
in summer i usually have my favourite walking shirt (craghoppers short sleeved barkhan - now fraying a bit in places but has pockets and can be completely undone to startle and confuse wildlife and cyclists) with shorts.
if it rains then a pertex/fuera (whatever you want to call it) windproof goes over the top.
it's summer, it's warm, so if i get damp around the edges it doesn't bother me as i prefer to get wet from rain rather than from sweat - rain doesn't smell and is much more comfortable when it dries out.
if rain is forecast for the day and it isn't going to be unduly windy then an umbrella is perfect - and it keeps your sarnies dry whilst eating them. the brolly stops water running down your back beneath your sack and so being forced through the material. (a trimmed bin liner also works well but is a bit hotter - make hole for head and leave a cloak so it covers the top of your sack - stuff into something to attach or use pegs. see! i don't care what i look like - i'm dry(ish))

remember that with the mountain vent material it pushes water from the fluffy side to the smooth side. so, if you wear it fluufy side out, when water comes through the shell, which it will eventually, you get a nice wet cloth against your skin.

you could experiment i suppose by proofing a mountain vent and wearing it fluffy side out under a shell to see if provides acceptable rain proofness......now there's a thought

<wanders off and stares at washing machine and parameta fabric>

BoB, I got involved in a similar discussion on UKC the other day, and was musing on the fact that the pump liner when not proofed probably works in the opposite way; sucking water from fluffy side to smooth side.

I also got told that the pump liner wicks, which wasn't my understanding from Nick's explanation on the Great Paramo Thread.

Can anyone tell me if Paramor jackets can be worn for skiiing.

Margaret, you can wear anything you like for skiing! if you really feel the cold in the Alps then you'll need a large padded jacket but I'm happy in Paramo with a couple of layers underneath.

I've skied in mine for the last 10 years. Sometimes with just a base layer under but quite oftem with some sort of light fleece underneath too.

Glamaig from www.cioch-direct.co.uk is probably the best Paramo year round jacket because it's the lightest while being full featured. 

But the Fuera jacket is only a windproof, not a Nikwax Analogy waterproof. Apples and pears.....

in one you'll get very wet, in the other you won't. guess which is which.