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Laurence Elliott
09/05/06 20:00
 Lowland rambler 38 forum posts 1 bookmark
Hey people, help me out here, Im trying to work out what 2 man light (under 2kg) tent to buy for a six month trekking extravaganza in nepal and pakistan. Here's my shortlist:

Stephenson's 2R
Hilleberg Nallo 2
Tarptent Squall 2
Terra Nova Laser

Worst possible conditions would be about
-15C with 40mph winds and snow. I also will be camping in heat, probably about 20C at night at the most.

Which one would you have? money isn't an issue
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stove man
09/05/06 21:26
 Hill-walking hero 411 forum posts 2 reviews
The stephenson. Lightest, warmest, coolest, fastest to put up, and lots of space. I have one, having looked at all the others, and have never regretted the choice.
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ChiefSilverback
10/05/06 14:52
 Lowland rambler 459 forum posts
I've just read some info about the Stephenson tents and it does make me wonder how it is that with all their R & D budgets companies like TNF and MHW etc... make the tents they do and not follow Stephenson's example and build a tent that is stronger than the moon, lighter than helium, more spacious than a warehouse and yet only needs 2 poles and 3 pegs!?!?!

Surely if a particular design was that good then everyone would be doing it?
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stove man
10/05/06 17:51
 Hill-walking hero 411 forum posts 2 reviews
I remember a Dilbert cartoon about that - an engineer has a great idea, which his boss discards on the basis that 'if nobody else does that, it can't be any good'. A design that requires laser cutting (not a mass-market technique), 7001 poles (I think) - again, not a standard pole material, and the users have to seam-seal it themselves, may not appeal to the mass-market crowd.

Also, the design has some limitations:
1) The material used (parachute cloth) doesn't many US fire regs (an absolute no-no for mass manufacture).
2) The overall design relies on users being 'sensible'. Jack Stephenson alledgedly used to interview prospective customers to ensure they knew what they were getting. If you abuse the tent, in particular not following his (very simple but quite rigid) instructions for putting it up, then you risk damaging it. It takes <2mins to put up even in a storm, so I don't find this a problem.
3) The poles need looked after - they're extremely thin-walled, but much larger diameter, so once up they're very strong, but if you apply a point load they can be broken. I suspect a mass manufacturer would be faced with a lot of returns for broken poles from mis-use (already a problem for some tent manufacturers with existing thick-walled poles).
4) There's no warranty. You have (I think) 28 days to check it for problems and return it, and thereafter they will repair it for you (at $50/hr) or tell you how to do it. When a fox attacked mine and tore a bit, they sent me the repair materials for free and talked me through the repair on the phone. Frankly, for me a warranty is useless as I'm rarely in a location where I could take advantage of it.

That said, mine has stood up to 70mph+ winds (nr Mt Cook, NZ), torrential rain, 40C+ heat (oz outback) and c.150 nights continual usage on the PCT including blizzards and c.20nights in the snow. They've also been used on Denali and assorted other high altitude peaks. For a 1.3kg tent, there's nothing close to it. My next tent will undoubtedly be another Stephenson.
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Laurence Elliott
11/05/06 16:41
 Lowland rambler 38 forum posts 1 bookmark
Stove man.........im sold!
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stove man
12/05/06 07:20
 Hill-walking hero 411 forum posts 2 reviews
Suggestions if you get one:

1) Definitely go for the side "windows" - much cooler and only c.60g more. Basically, huge side panels (1m x 0.7m) with mozzie netting that can be unzipped. Done up, the tent is the same as the normal one (ie insulated).

2) If you're frequently going to be in windy places, the wind stabilizers (like vanogs TBS) might be worth it. I don't have these so the tent jumps around a bit in high wind, although Stephenson claim that its structurally ok to 100mph or so without stabilizers, and 160mph with.

3) Definitely go for the large door.

4) Don't go for light green. Its luminous. I made that mistake.

5) Plan ahead - it takes them weeks or months to be made; worth calling them and ask what the current wait would be. They sometimes have some in stock.

There's various pictures of the tent on my website homepage.ntlworld.com/davidtoms
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Cruxster man
12/05/06 07:59
 Lowland rambler 2868 forum posts 57 photos 15 reviews 1 bookmark
For my money I'd go with the H'berg nallo 2 or as a last minute contender
copy and paste this link.

http://www.lightwave.uk.com/en/tent_t1ultraxt.php

good luck.

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