 Looks good, question is though can it be used to clean and reproof paramo?
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 I don't know the answer to that. I'm sure Paramo would prefer you to use Nikwax and wouldn't recommend anything else and I suspect that Grangers would say you probably could in principle. I'm sure it'd be fine with their windproof stuff, I don't know what would happen with Analogy kit.
Analogy is tumble driable and I don't see why the 2 in 1 shouldn't work with it in principle, but without trying it, I couldn't say for sure. I'll dig out something Paramo and give it a go and report back, though it goes without saying, if you follow Paramo's instructions, you should use Nikwax, which doesn't need to be heat activated.
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Jon,
Thanks for the reply, it goes without saying that Nikwax would be first choice for cleaning and reproofing paramo, however, it would be useful to have a nikwax 2 in 1 wash in too (any chance Nick?). I would be interested to see what the results are after your experiment.
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Jon - it looks good. What happens to water on the inside of a garment - does it bead also? What effect might that have on the breathability?
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 It does look good, but neither snow+rock, Ellis Brigham, Field and Trek, or Kathmandu stock it. They do all however stock the full range of Nickwax products!
Anyone know of a shop that does stock it?
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 For those of us who don't have a tumble dryer and cba to iron coats, I'll stick to Nikwax that doesn't need to be heat-treated. I'll live with washing it twice on the few occasions that it needs a double-do.
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ALS, yep., water beads on the inside of the garment as well, but since both eVENT and Apex should pass liquid in vapour form, that shouldn't make any difference to breathability. I don't know if it would make any difference to breathability with, say, Gore-Tex Paclite, where the grey lining stuff actively soaks up water (it's hydrophylic) but I suspect the DWR wouldn't bond to the liner stuff anyway.
Essentially Grangers has just combined its cleaner and proofer in one treatment, so the proofing element works the same way as their standard proofer. Its main advantage is convenience and time saving.
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btw, so far the DWR is doing fine and still beading nicely on both garments though only after a couple of outings.
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Jon, thanks. I figured that if water beaded on the inside, then there would be less of it in contact with the liner, so it would take longer to get out. On the other hand, there'd be more liner exposed to vapour, so who knows! Some Gore-tex products' care instructions mention that spray on reproofers are better than wash-in ones for certain kinds of lined garments. A few weeks ago I used some Grangers Wash-In Cleaner followed by XT Spray waterproofer to treat a really old Paclite jacket and trousers, and was really pleased with the results - water just beads and flies off the surface. Very impressive. Didn't find the tumble drying a problem, but I made sure all the zips were covered and velcros closed.
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 for those looking to buy it, I happened to go into Blacks in Swansea while the grangers rep was in. Asked about it and he said "Do you want a bottle?" so I couldn't say no. Haven't tried it yet on my event jacket but in the kids coats it worked well. All Blacks are stocking it, but not Millets.(?)
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 As for the issue of water beading on the inside, it would if the water were on it in water form, luckaly its only as vapour, and will pass through. the reson it is so important to keep a membrane jacket clean and the DWR healthy on it, is to make the water bead from the surface as not to saturate the surface impeding the passing of water vapour through it. So if if water does bead on the inside somehow, its still a good thing it does because it still wont impede the breathability, and eventually your body will warm it up enough to escape.
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