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Mark Batey
16/10/07 10:23
 Lowland rambler 7 forum posts

My ancient Silva has got a bubble in the fluid, and is getting slow to react, so it's going in the bin and I'm after a new one.

The only difference between the cheap £10 Silva and the next one up seems to be the size of the baseplate - is there any reason why I need to spend an extra £10 to get a bigger bit of plastic?

My old one was the smallest, and it's always seemed ok to me, but maybe I'm missing something...

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Peter Clinch
16/10/07 10:27
 Alpine improver 5213 forum posts 5 photos 9 reviews

If you've only got a small baseplate it increases the chances that if you're taking a bearing off the map then the edge won't be long enough to accommodate both ends of the line, so you'll have to do some guessing.  Chances of that go up with larger scale maps.

But if you've never found that to be a problem then I wouldn't worry about it!

Pete. 

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Guy Hurst
16/10/07 10:33
 Alpine newbie 1890 forum posts 12 reviews 3 bookmarks 4 classifieds
I've got a Silva Type 7 (the cheapest, I think) and a Type 4 (about twice the price) I found on a fell top. I use both, depending on which rucksack I pick up, and there's not really that much difference between them unless navigating over long distances in poor conditions — the North Pennines or Cairngorms in winter, for example.
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Pete S.
16/10/07 10:37
 Lowland rambler 174 forum posts 1 review
 As my namessake above says,the longer baseplate will give a more accurate bearing when used to take a bearing from the map but if you've managed ok before why change?
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Paddy Dillon
16/10/07 11:08

I used to kick around the hills with a pretty big compass clinometer, which had a fold-out mirror so that you took bearings using the 'sighting' method. I was doing serious geology at the time, which is why I got that model. When I switched to a 'normal' compass, I got the smallest Silva model, and I'm still using it years down the line. I can't say my navigation has suffered in the slightest, and I never seem to need to take long bearings, so it's fine for me. If you've been doing the same, then stick with the small one.

Now... if I ever turned my hand to instructing people in the use of a map and compass, I'd invest in the biggest, simplest compass I could get my hands on, with big, bold print for the cardinal points and numbers. I've always thought it pretty pointless when I've seen someone trying to instruct a group, especially kids, while using a tiny compass that's completely lost in their huge maulers. I think Silva provide a huge 'dummy' compass for instruction, but of course the arrow isn't magnetic on those, since it's just a visual aid.

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Pete S.
16/10/07 11:23
 Lowland rambler 174 forum posts 1 review
Paddy,I remember using  a "dummy"  Silva when I was teaching outdoor pursuits many years ago,it was'nt a lot of cop for chasing round the orienteering course though and it was hellish when hung on a wrist strap.
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Paddy Dillon
16/10/07 11:26
Yep... great if you want the kid at the back of the class to see what's happening... but lethal when you keep tripping over the thing!
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Mark Batey
16/10/07 12:23
 Lowland rambler 7 forum posts
Thanks for the replies - looks like I'm going for the cheap one then, excellent, that's a few beer tokens saved...
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Hayden Holloway
16/10/07 15:35
 Lowland rambler 875 forum posts 44 photos 15 reviews

Yes there is a reason - I think expedition 4 is more than just larger. 

It has luminous dots on the base plate and inside the bezel as well as on the pointer.  This can aid navigation at night.  It also has rubber feet so it will not slide off the map.  1:25000, 1:63000, 1:50000 romer scales are printed on the base plate.  It's a good compass for reasonably acurate navigation. 

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Brianetta
16/10/07 17:00
 Lowland rambler 304 forum posts 4 photos 13 reviews

I carry my mum's old (as in, decades old) series 7 or my Cammenga lensatic compass (depending on what I'm up to), and a Silva protractor.  The protractor is mostly used for the rhomers, but basically it's a cheap, light, flexible base plate.

Series 7 + protractor = £10 + £1.50 = £11.50

Expedition 4  =  £30

The only advantage of using a baseplate instead of a protractor is that you don't actually need to use the numbers around the compass bezel.  You can use bearings entirely mechanically.  When sighting, though, you *do* rather want to use the numbers.

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Shuttleworth
16/10/07 20:43
 Lowland rambler 389 forum posts 1 photo 2 reviews 4 bookmarks

If you want a longer one for the same price the Recta DT100 is longer than the Silva, and has 1:10k,25k&50k scales on it as well.

 http://www.cave-crag.co.uk/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/1329 

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Reiver
16/10/07 23:16

Is the bubble as big as the one in mine, seen here demonstrating magnetic problems on Mull.

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Mark Batey
17/10/07 08:22
 Lowland rambler 7 forum posts
Wow, no. It was about a quarter of an inch diameter - and now that I'm down from the top of Braeriach it's gone. Looks like it was caused by the altitude, which seems to be a fairly common problem.  I'll look around for that Recta I think...
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Jules aka Bat Girl
17/10/07 21:47
 Lowland rambler 7121 forum posts 2 bookmarks
of coure it does and anyone who tells you different is a liar.
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Matt C
17/10/07 21:48
 Himalayan mountaineer 20456 forum posts 809 photos 2 articles 20 bookmarks
It aint the size of your compass that counts, it's how accurately you rotate your bezel!!
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