i was thinking of getting a new head torch and i'm looking at the Black Diamond Icon and the Apex from princeton tec.

both seem very good and pretty similar, with all of the features you're likely to need. There is a big price difference in them and it's got me thinking that the icon could be the one to go for. but from what i've read the apex has much better water proofness, has this ever been an issue for people. i live in Scotland and rain is something we are certainly blessed with. does anyone have any experience using them, are they worth the costs?

i'm planning to start walking more at night hence the upgrade.

I bought an Apex a few weeks ago and I think it's great. The main beam is like a searchlight, it was by far the brightest torch on the recent OM Windy Meet! I've seen nothing like it on the hill (except when I use my bike lights!), but the dimmer LEDS work well too for more general light and power-saving. The waterproofing hasn't been an issue yet so for me it's more of a nice-to-have than an essential.

Two things that you get for the money (and I don't know if you do with the Icon):

- regulated current circuitry so that the light power remains constant until very near the end of the battery life.

- clearly stated that the torch will take alkalines, rechargeables, or lithium batteries. I like to use lithiums as they're lighter, longer lasting and far less susceptible to cold. (I'm amazed Petzl didn't sort that out with their much-heralded new Myo XP). 

Steve

thanks for the link. One question though... I looked all over and I still couldn't spot the PLUG?

lol John, I wondered too.

I actually have a Hope Vision headlight and it is very good. Mine is the 2 x 5W LED that is really a MTB front light, but last year they brought out a 3-strap headband mount for it. Jon did a news piece on it from that year's Outdoor Show:

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/uan/4518

It looks very similar to the 2 LED lamp in the range above but I couldn't say if it's technically the same.

Pros: Fantastic light beam, reasonable battery life

Cons: Not the most comfortable headband ever but ok, weight, uses specific l-ion rechargeable batteries so you need a power source, can't just slap in some AAs. Also it's designed to cool in the breeze at MTB speeds so if you're just walking or especially if you stand still it can get a bit hot.

A great light if you want something very bright for shortish night-time activity and then back to base. Not one to think of for multi-day trips or backpacking imo.