Primus Micron, Gas canister, MSR Titan Kettle = total weight 400g - and still room to pack tea, coffee and a small container of milk.

Jetboil = 425g without gas.

pasty_muncher wrote (see)

Paul H, your on your third jetboil???  Or third piezo igniter???

Third igniter!!  Sorry, I could have made that clearer.  I haven't bothered replacing it again.

The jetboil has otherwise worked perfectly, it must have been one of the first in the UK, I bought it in the US before there was a UK importer.

Deleted - sorry it was in refernce to matt not Paul.

For those of you struggling with the Piezo iginiter on the Jetboil you can get a replacement free of charge from the good people at Lyon who are the UK distributor.

A simple fix to ensure the igniter doesn't get broken is to put the lid from a deodarent or shaving gel/foam can over the top of it when stowing it inside the cooking pot.

Out of interest Lyon except that there is a design fault with way the Piezo igniter is located and have passd on the considerable feedback to that effect to Jetboil in the US.

fb wrote (see)

Primus also do a similar kettle for around £20 on its own - combined with say a primus micron stove the kettle will take a gas canister the stove, tea makings and a small cup inside.

I now use an MSR Ti kettle instead which is smaller and lighter and dont bother with a cup.

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I found the Jetboil a royal pain in the arse. Poor control, large, bulky, inflexible, bad simmer control (I have seen a few folk scalding their fingers with these). It has an awkward size with a high centre of gravity. The piezo igniter seems so vulnerable on this stove too.

edited to add: And that bayonet fitting for the mug/pot in the jetboil is a real pain IMO

I checked out an Eta Express yesterday and was very unimpressed.  The burner is a bog-standard Primus Express which costs £25 to buy, meaning you're forking out £35 for the pan + windshield.  No mater how much I fiddled with it, the windshield did not fit very well, literally just 'hanging' in place (plus it only covers 120 degrees of the stove anyway).  The pan lid is about big enough to hold a fried egg (just the one), and the heat exchanger fins on the pan base were an absolute mess   -   uneven, bent, some not even touching the pan.

In comparison, the Jetboil standing next to it looked rock solid...

I've had a jetboil for about 4 years now, bought in the USA before they came over here. In that time it's never failed once, and the ignition has worked faultlessly. OK it may not be the lightest piece of kit now, or allow you to pack as much in as alternatives, but it has definite advantages. It's still quicker to boil than most alternatives and requires minimal set up. I've given up counting how often I've been sat drinking my brew while others are still waiting for their water to boil. The pan convertor means you still have the ability to cook food not suited to the standard "mug", and the coffee press makes a real difference in the mornings. There's no messing around with wind shields, and using the plastic clip-on stabiliser eliminates most of the problems of being top heavy.

I've also got the MSR Titan kettle and a SnowPeak titanium micro-stove, and yes it's lighter and you can fit more inside, but if I'm just going for a weekend the jetboil is usually first choice because it's quick, simple and gets the end product to me faster. In particular it's easier to use the jetboil if I fancy a brew at lunch time or on the top of a mountain. For longer trips, where weight and gas canister size makes a difference then it's the MSR/SnowPeak combination....but isn't it the case with most outdoor kit that choice comes down to how you're going to use it? Weight isn't the only consideration, especially where the difference is only a few grams.

I like my Jetboil a lot. Despite not being the lightest or least bulky cooking system I have it's still the one I usually take as it's just so easy and fast to use.

My piezo ignition also packed in after a couple of months but I haven't got it fixed because I always carry another ignition method with me anyway.

I use a jetboil and a cosy. With foil packet food you can get on making drinks while your food rehydrates.

I believe that a Jetboil is the lightest stove if you cook for 2 without resupply for 6 days or more. This is because it uses less gas so finally the extra weight of fuel from other sytems catches up with the extra stove weight of the Jetboil.

I have cut unneccessary weight from my jetboil to reduce it to just under 300 grams, it now has a 750ml pot a thin Al lid but still has a Piezo and the pot still locks on for cooking. This mean that I calculate that mine is the lightest system for cooking for 2 without resupply for 4 days or more.

If weight really matters I take a Caldera cone for lesser trips. But Often the convenience of the jetboil wins anyway

I rather suspect a multifuel stove comes into the equation for overall lightness if you're cooking on an extended trip without resupply.

Plus they're simply more fun!

Matt C wrote (see)

Mike, is that a stove or.........