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 OK. They are only £25 in the shop in Ambleside that was Rock and Run (if that makes any sense). Lakes Runner or somesuch now I think. Ultimate Outdoors were also selling them off very cheap too. I looked at them found them very heavy and bulky when packed and realised that I would not really use them. Even though they cost more and don't have ventilation zips I would rate Rab VR trousers much higher - light and packable.
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 I've never been a huge fan of fleece-lined trousers for walking. They're great for mooching about in, but for walking something close-cut for thermal efficiency and stretchy for full freedom of movement works better for me. For winter use, Schoeller Dryskin or for even colder conditions Powershield are my faves. Of course, the problem with either is after you've got your wallets out for a pair they tend to be quite empty  Pete.
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 As I understand things they do this every winter under some name or other  Indeed you've got the old 1.0 version on that link - the 2.0 version (!) is here http://www.montane.co.uk/productdetails.php?productid=158&rid=10. Probably the first time I've seen someone put version numbers on an outdoors garment! Big difference seems to be using Epic as the face fabric instead of whatever the standard ones use. Should be handy in winter that. A lined version of the terra stretches - made in stretch equilibirum - might be rather interesting. Maybe they're warm enough unlined though.
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I agree. Too warm for most walking in UK - great for evenings etc.! Rab ones win out again as they are more casual and double up as tracksuit trousers type of things
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 I don't get this bit from the Montane site - "... now also incorporate new winter features such as 3M Scotchlite™ reflective flashes and ¾ length side zips, which both act as vents and enable them to be easily put on and removed over winter footwear" Why would you want to take the buggers off over your boots? In winter this could lead to death through indecent exposure.
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 were they not called Terra Thermic last year? 
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 "were they not called Terra Thermic last year?"
No - different product altogether, they're not the Venture pants either as I've got them.
I've bought them as I birdwatch as much as walk which doesn't generate much heat.
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 i have a pair of the thermic. very nice too. they're not too warm because the insulation bit has been properly designed.
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My troos have arrived from The Outdoor ShopThey actually are Montane Terra XT 2.0 with EPIC facing - the new 2008 trousers - not bad for £40. The leg zips are exactly like Paramo Cascadas, there's no mesh as on standard Terras, the leg can open from thigh to ankle. Pocket zips have sensible flaps but no secure pocket. Belt is the usual Montane one but you can stow the flappy end. Fit is much closer than Paramo, weight is no issue, knees are pre-bent, the crotch area is comfortable. They look tough as hell with Cordura bum, knees and ankles. So far I'm impressed.
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so what is the difference between the xt 2.0 (sounds like a new motorbike) and the terra warm/thermic??
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the thermics are terras with a lining essentialy. the xt are more of a winter trousers and you can undo the side zips from ankle to thigh although no one can explain why you'd want to do that.
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Venting I suppose - I've certainly had my buffalo special 6 trousers zipped at least half open before now. Ok there's is a limit to how much you can do and still walk in them! (they're even madder this way actually - a velcro strip at the top to attach and full length side zips.). The outer fabric on the xt 2.0 is also now different to the thermics - it's that near waterproof epic cotton stuff rather than the standard terra fabric. Fourty pounds is seriously good value but surely they can't keep selling the 2008 version at clearance prices?! If only they got near fitting me.... (nothing non tailored will though )
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.jpg) Well I'm diving in - been looking at them anyway, but at this price, a huge bargain!! Going to be great for Scottish winter walking, especially if it's anything like last year.
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Get the wallets out again....Montane Halo Stretch Jacket. Probably won't buy one as I have a Quickfire which the Halo replaces. It looks like a stretchy Quickfire with a map pocket. The Outdoors Shop have it at the lowest price I've seen so far.
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Got my XT2.0's through the post today - they really do look perfect for Scottish Winters. Tough fabrics and with good water shedding abilities by all accounts. Shiny lining rather than fleece, so they'll keep out wind and light rain, but not get too hot. £40 absolute bargain!! Thanks again for the heads-up!
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As for the zips, I reckon you could use them as an overtrouser or snowboard pant, so perhaps they're for that reason.
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You know I'd heard that Montane attracted sales but really - a clearance sale on Halo stretches?!!? Has anyone even seen one in a shop yet? Maybe they've got to sell them cheap to compete with the quickfires in clearance sales 
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