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MarinMadness
24/03/09 14:26
 Lowland rambler 29 forum posts 3 photos 1 bookmark 1 classified

Looks like they are available in the UK now, was in my local gear shop at lunchtime and noticed they have them on the shelf. They do look very neat if a little heavy for some of the models.

If anyone wants to purchase these guys have stocks. MSR Pots

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TP
24/03/09 16:04
Dr Gorbstein wrote (see)

 Still waiting for a titanium Trangia 27 kettle


Funny you should mention that. I have running discussions over meths and trangia systems My mate is a meths user () I prefer gas. We both wonder why Trangia don't do more in titanium. Apprently there are some trangia stuff in titanium but the windshield cries out for titanium as does the kettle, mini trangia and practically most of the stuff. Trangia seem a bit disjointed in its products.

IF you want wider pans try AGG pans. Their aluminium pans are actually lighter than most titanium stuff. I got a Ti-lite  mug type pan from Vargo and it weighs more than the 3 cup pan from my AGG cookset. It's just the question about why get titanium in a wider, lower pot thats about 700ml / 3 cups when you can get a £10 aluminium one from AGG that you can get a custom made pot cosy and neoprene cover for it (if you wish to use those sort of things that is? Ti is not the main event in pans it is the weight and volume. Two pans similar weight, similar volume and similar shape, one Al other Ti. Which would you get? If you say Ti I would have to ask if you have a £350 Arcteryx waterproof to walk down Ambleside high street as well?!

What I am saying Al has a higher conductivity than Ti, it is less likely to have hot spots in wider pans used with narrow jet gas stove and is cheaper. If the design is right it can actually be close to Ti pans in weight. Function over form everytime for me. If something works is only slightly heavier and half the price why bother with the other option.

BTW someone was talking about conductivities of the different materials. Al has the highest heat conductivity hence it can cool content quicker and you get burnt lip if you drink from it for some time after taking away from heat source. The AL pan is transmitting the heat from the cooling contents hence as long as the contents has heat energy to release it will feel hot to the lips.

Titanium has a lower heat conductivity but is thinner so it can transmit the heat to the food efficient enough to be worthwhile as the material for camping pans. Since it transmits heat slower it does not move the heat from the food fast enough to maintain the high temperature around the lip away from the hot contents. This means that in a short period of time you can drink from a Ti pan or mug. It also means that the contents do not cool as quick as Al pans. The thinner Ti is lighter due to the lower thickness it is acutally more dense than Al hence if made at the same thickness as Al pans it would be heavier. It is the higher tensile strength of Ti that allows it to be useful as light pans.

Don't know why I went through that and am probably about to be corrected, but someone said something that was wrong about the conductivity of the materials that I thought ought to be corrected.

Me pedantic, you bored!

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bailout
24/03/09 22:53
 Hill-walking hero 111 forum posts
Mole wrote (see)
what I use (20g pangrab needed...)


I love the description on that link

"they reduced weight by eliminating the non-stick coating."

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Mole
25/03/09 18:16
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what I use (20g pangrab needed...)


I love the description on that link

"they reduced weight by eliminating the non-stick coating."

Correction - I don't use that pan - costs too much - duplicated the other link from my post somehow

I use the AGG 3 cup (0.7l) aluminium pot.  As Time to Go says - just as light as Titanium and costs £8.50 not £35+ (need a pangrab -mine is 20g)

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27/03/09 05:53
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bailout wrote (see)
I love the description on that link

"they reduced weight by eliminating the non-stick coating."


<>Looks up from cutting handle off toothbrush<>

I don't know what you mean...

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