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Ben Turner
12/11/10 22:26
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Still hard to compare. 

Current R2 uses 7.4 oz ThermalPro, Power Dry and spandex and is 419g.

Current Monkey Man uses ThermalPro Monkey Phur (?) and is 514g.

Must admit, the only fleece item I use when out these days is an Arcteryx Breva Vest (Polartec Classic 100 Micro Velour Small Grid ). All I know is it is just right under a windproof in spring and autumn until it is time to don the trusty Paramo for winter. Very rarely have to add anything to that except a heavier baselayer underneath and a Primaloft vest on top for stops.

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Nigel Healy
13/11/10 08:41
 Alpine newbie 1895 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews

What is the OP's need for a fleece, doesn't mention context. If simply to add insulation between wind and base layer then what's wrong with a cheap fleece? The more open weaves have better warmth/weight but need the windproof over.

 Mention of the P Taiga fleece - is OP wanting something with a story against wet? I tried on in store the P Taiga, its heavy, and not sure of the purpose. I own a Summit Hoodie, I'd say its close to 200wt insulation, but useful pockets in the right places. Good for when using in low-activity situations when needing insulation with a good wet-protection feature.

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Daniel Shannon
13/11/10 09:31
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What is the OP's need for a fleece, doesn't mention context. If simply to add insulation between wind and base layer then what's wrong with a cheap fleece? The more open weaves have better warmth/weight but need the windproof over.

 Mention of the P Taiga fleece - is OP wanting something with a story against wet? I tried on in store the P Taiga, its heavy, and not sure of the purpose. I own a Summit Hoodie, I'd say its close to 200wt insulation, but useful pockets in the right places. Good for when using in low-activity situations when needing insulation with a good wet-protection feature.

Nigel,

I own the Fuera Ascent but not its partner the Summit Hoodie.  Winter is quickly approaaching  here in Michigan.  Last winter I layered beneath the Ascent and was well pleased but am certainly considering the Summit to round out the Ascent's performance.  Paramo recommends the combo for cool/cold/wet weather.  Would you mind giving me a brief critique on the Summit Hoodie?  It would certainly be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dan S.

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Nigel Healy
13/11/10 18:21
 Alpine newbie 1895 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews

Dan - so sometimes you just have to go with gut and make a purchase as there isn't much ownership out there to form a conclusion from reviews. Be prepared however to buy, find it doesn't work for you, and sell.

I did research the SH a little over a year ago, considering instead of a Quito + Torres gilet, or the SH+Windproof (e.g. the Ascent). The SH+Ascent is the same cost but roughly twice the weight of the Quito. So I owned a Quito, it did do ok from a light waterproof, but its also actually exactly true that it raises the temperature, it was cold simply walking out of the house and the time it takes to warm up. I also found myself packing insulation. That's not an issue for a long day out the warming-up bit is a brief issue.

So I waited and tried on the SH in Cunninghams in Ambleside in July. The very first impression is simple warm comfort, try it on, instant heat and soft all over. The next positive is pockets in just right the places, plus a separate "dry" pocket for stuff you don't want to fall out as you use the hand-warming pockets. The hood is warm and actually snug around the head, not the massive thing you have to drawstring back down like most (all?) of the other Paramo range due to the wish to fit helmets (which 99% of hikers never wear). So the overwhelming sense of the SH is warm comfort. 

I immediately figured this would fit common winter situations of being stationary, e.g. in your house, where you save a lot of $ by wearing warm clothing, and then stepping outdoors into wet where you take a good 10-15mins to warm up, and my life I don't drive, I bike/walk everywhere (not your typical US dweller) so the fact its got a lot of insulation is a good thing. i.e. I could live in the SH in winter.

It is via home testing very waterproof. It is not wateproof by the strict definition, I made a bucket of it and it took about 9 inches of depth to begin letting water in - that is a lot of water pressure. Under a windproof which blunts rain's velocity I am confident it would be waterproof although clearly it can still suffer P's issue with standing water under shoulder straps (although have an answer to that - see below) .There are two layers of the fleece for the pockets up and and including the shoulders, so twice as much protection where rain traditional works in.

I have walked in it long enough to make it too warm and then vented, the pitzips  are massive, and works well with a gilet which leaves the arms exposed.

 I can't yet state it as a recommended item, as its not had much of a wild trial, I posted when I bought it I'd not be able to form a conclusion til probably February.

So right now, its a warm comfy waterproof hooded fleece with good pockets and pitzips.

There are items which look good and I've tried and been bad, I don't yet know if this is a keeper or not. I have had keepers in the past based on impulse like the Montane Prism which then got worsened by Montane with the Prism-2.

 FYI  - I also got the Torres Sleeves on the same principal, of willing to give it a try. That opens up the possibility of not having a windproof layer between fleece and overlayer so more breathability. i.e. SH under Torres and then overlayer with sleeves for a lot of insulation, a lot of breathability, and still waterproof. If you count the number of layers of plastic with Torres+windproof+fleece it can't breath as well surely as a Torres+SH. The sleeves go over the backpack so help with straps compressing rain past the SH.

Dan  buying mail-order without trying for size, take the risk, the SH is tighter across chest and shorter than say the Fuera Peak and the Explorer all in medium.

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Nigel Healy
13/11/10 19:03
 Alpine newbie 1895 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews

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...continued.

I don't think the SH fits in with a typical OM's scenario of spending hours outdoors in all conditions where your output varies significantly (hill climbing, stationary, descending, etc) and the conditions varies (altitude, weather). This is because rain comes in whatever temperature between sleet at around 0C to say 13C. A typical OM situation is you need the minimum insulation in your waterproof layer that is in the range of the output/conditions. I suggest for most OM's scenarios a fleece should be just a fleece, or consider overlayering.Fleeces can be cheap and light and warm. Overlayering is more convenient.

The SH creates the scenario you are too warm and if you remove your insulation layer you are removing your primary waterproof layer. 

What Parky said  - P fleece is too warm and will struggle to fit in a typical hours-outdoors-in-hills situations.

I'm considering my SH for indoors-outdoors-for-20-mins typical situations in my winter life between home and biking/walking around the neighbourhood. 

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Bedouin
13/11/10 20:22
 Alpine peak pro 2215 forum posts
When things get a bit nasty and there was room in my pack my 'comfort blanket' is an Arcterxy's Convert Hoody. Its made from Polartec Thermal Pro.

Its nice enough to wear anywhere and has a relaxed cut... probably as far as Arc gets to trendy.
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Daniel Shannon
13/11/10 22:21

Nigel,

Thank you.  You've answered all my questions relative to the Summit Hoodie.  In all likelihood, I'm going to get one in another month or so.  Thanks again.

Dan S.

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Nigel Healy
14/11/10 04:57
 Alpine newbie 1895 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews
Daniel Shannon wrote (see)

Nigel,

Thank you.  You've answered all my questions relative to the Summit Hoodie.  In all likelihood, I'm going to get one in another month or so.  Thanks again.

Dan S.

Dan. Your PM is turned off.

If you want any detailed photos or measure a length relative to another garment you may have, happy to do.  I know how difficult it is to get a view of fit online.

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Daniel Shannon
14/11/10 18:14

Nigel,

I didn't realize my PM was turned off---thanks---see if I can fix that.

Dan S.  

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Daniel Shannon
14/11/10 18:19

Nigel,

I went into my "inbox settings" and it says my PM is "on"---go figure!!

Dan S.

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Nigel Healy
15/11/10 02:23
 Alpine newbie 1895 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews
Dan, next to e.g. Ben turner there is a message member but next to you there isn't. OM having in one of its moods.
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Nigel Healy
23/11/10 08:00
 Alpine newbie 1895 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews

Its turning colder and wetter here in northern California and my Summit Hoodie is getting more use.

The designer is primarily trying to solve a problem of alpine climbers with harness and large variations in temperature whilst wearing the harness. Specifically the fleece is cut short so its about the hip line. When in a cold climate the SH is warm but its just too short, the insulation effect is diminished by being short up the back and short at the front. Its noticeable when sat down, I can imagine outdoors in a cold situation sat down it would just feel drafty and cold around the waist. 

On the plus side, my summer cycling widened chest/back is narrowing as I move from mountain cycling to mountain walking and the SH chest is not as tight. From the same manufacturer, for "medium" this is the narrowest chest I've experienced.  Also good, as my Montane Velo is fitting better.

The high-up chest pockets and storage is working well, having general storage which works with backpack and cycling is far better than most fleece's either no pockets or low-down pockets. In effect, you can wear this all day indoors/outdoors for urban living and passing through the outdoors. I need only throw on a windproof and I'm sorted as I step outdoors.

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