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Long warm synthetic hooded jacket
basically like the original Montane Prism but better
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Nigel Healy
20/06/11 18:13
 Alpine newbie 1897 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews

Actually the Kappa was my shortlisted preference, your reviews and my research backs your positive experience. The issue is it looks on paper too warm in the around-freezing temperatures, 133g core and 100g arms. I've hovvered over the buy button a number of times.

It does though for a synthetic tick all the boxes of good warmth/weight and effectively waterproof via design (few seams), fabric (HS2) and the PL1. Seems few use PL1 which is better on warmth/weight and holding insulation when wet.

I was thinking though that a single warm item is easier to vent, less hassle as undoing the zip will get cold air right inside, so the too-warm issues might be mute? I knowdown jackets being so light and airy can be opened up quite a bit, but still the issue of the backpack and the arms still trapping a lot of heat.

The Prism, my current fave, it can be boosted by layering, but the easiest layering which is a gilet, works fine as the temperatures just get tool-cool, but fails to work at lower temps as the arms are cold, so have to do the traditional mid-layer approach. That's what I did last winter.

So that is really my dilemma, basically layering which is more flexible over wider range of condtions vs the Kappa which risks too-warm but simpler.

If the Kappa was say 100g core and 75g arms, I'd have bought it already.

What I might have to do is simply buy a Kappa, look after it, let the next winter pass and then keep/sell. I'm probably at the limits of what I can do in my head.  The Kapa looks very smart too

James - just above freezing, when active, how is the insulation? So I know that temperature and a Prism 40g plus 100g gilet is about-right so that's roughly 133g core and 40g arms and I reckon the Kappa too-warm, but it comes into its element when still around-freezing and obviously active when lower temps.

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Bryan Mclaughlin
20/06/11 20:18
 Mountain scrambler 192 forum posts 1 bookmark
as anyone mentioned ME citadel yet?
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at14
20/06/11 21:38
 Lowland rambler 6 forum posts

Just beat me to it about mentioning the ME citadel ^

 I've got the fitzroy at the moment and every single trip wether it be the height of summer i bring it with me! The DWR on ME's material is fantastic, the rain just beads straight off. I regularly use my Berghuas Arete 45 with it as well and I havent had any problems to date. I can thouroughly reccommend it! The Citadel uses a larger amount of primaloft which obviously makes it warmer!

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John Burley
20/06/11 22:35
 Scottish ice ace 4933 forum posts 113 photos 33 reviews 22 bookmarks

I've got the old version of the Cloudveil enclosure hoody which is a beast of a jacket (over 200gsm PL in the body and 133 in the sleeves IIRC). It's a bit silly really but I -ahem- got a bargain .

However the 2010 spec was a bit more practical and I'd say well worth a look especially if you have over-the-pond shopping opportunities. There should be some of these on the cheap by now and they had 133gsm PL in the body and 100 in the arms / hood (again from memory)

I like PHD kit very much and the above reviews indicate the Kappa may be up there with the best but for off-the-roll fabrics rather than lovely fluffy downy stuf I'm not sure they merit the price tag.

John

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John Burley
20/06/11 22:39
 Scottish ice ace 4933 forum posts 113 photos 33 reviews 22 bookmarks

ooh... video

Mines the same colours but with the hood and (I would guess from the look) that the hooded version had a thicker PL layer. 

John

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Nigel Healy
08/03/12 18:09
 Alpine newbie 1897 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews

So a year later... I ordered the PHD Kappa, using the 10% discount from having ordered another item in the PHD spring sale. Delivered today, this is my first Primaloft One insulated item. The loft is down-like, i.e. puffs up, not at all like the Primaloft Eco stuff in my Montane Prism which doesnt puff up but feels soft when squeezed, more like the insulation inside the Paramo Torres sleeves.

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Nigel Healy
10/03/12 17:37
 Alpine newbie 1897 forum posts 2 photos 12 reviews
PHD Kappa measurements

back length 31"
front zip length 27"
sleeve armpit to end 28"
flat width between arpmits 26"
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