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Jamie- re cost .....

Podcast Bob has a review on his recent F shows (part 1) 

I think the 58l was £140 if memory serves, and the 46l £130.  but with a 10l float the 46 may be a useful balance

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In reply to Mike C:

Sorry Mike, I thought I'd altready said that the load was best born on the lower back (lumbar area) and the rest on the hips. I think this principle applies to most packs with a hipbelt that is more than webbing or a fabric fin.

I agree with your summary of the type of weight an Exos can carry (in comfort) around 15kg. We make other packs that would be better at carrying 30kg - but I don't see those in the lightweight realm - or the gear that you would normally put in them being light either.

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Rob

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Apologies, Matt C not Mike C!
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Rob, thanks for the summary of the design and how/why it differs from a plain lumbar pad, makes sense.

However, it still doesn't explain why there's any need for a mesh trampoline above the lower back where the weight's going: it will still add to the weight, will still impede the breathability a little, and still impedes the wearer from scratching their upper back.  What is the upside? 

Pete. 

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Hello Jason (Fat Chef?)

 Thanks for the question about the compression system on the Exos / Talon.

There are currently no plans to change the Talon compression system to match that of the new 'under-or-over' system featured on the Exos, however it is suggestions like this that we take on board and look at as future design changes / updates etc. It is of course your choice, however I wouldn't recommend attempting to create this system yourself on your Talon pack.

Thanks for the interest in Osprey packs.

 Martin 

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Hello Peter,

the main reason that the mesh extends across the entire back is to keep the overall tension of the mesh in the lower lumbar area, this is the upside. In terms of adding weight it doesn't really add anything (the entire back mesh panel weighs less than 15g). I honestly don't think that the mesh in the upper back would impede breathability to any measurable degree.

Re:- scratching your back - you've lost me a little on that one. I think I understand what you are saying but if I understand you correctly the same logic says that a sandal is better for hill walking than a boot as the sandal enables you to scratch your foot if you have an itch?

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Rob
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Martin Osprey wrote (see)

.....however I wouldn't recommend attempting to create this system yourself on your Talon pack........

Thanks for the reply Martin, I definitely will not be attempting the mod’ myself!!

Jason

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Re:- scratching your back - you've lost me a little on that one. I think I understand what you are saying but if I understand you correctly the same logic says that a sandal is better for hill walking than a boot as the sandal enables you to scratch your foot if you have an itch?

Yes, it is.  That's one of the reasons I much prefer hillwalking in sandals...  Sandals weigh less, breathe better (make that much, much, much, much better), feet in them dry quicker, socks are not needed.  Downsides... not much use for scree running, foot jams, winter weather, but no shortage of conditions outside of those.

It may be slightly heretical not to use boots, but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea!

As for breathability of a back covering, if you've got, say 5% direct coverage of mesh against the back that's 5% less breathability than if it wasn't there, would be my guess.  After all, it's been suggested that changing from standard to narrow seam tape on a waterproof makes a tangible difference, and even a fine mesh is more of a barrier than none at all.   But if the tension can't be maintained without anchoring it at the top, that's a pretty good reason to anchor it at the top!  But if you could keep the tension just from the side mountings, then less would be more as far as contact comfort is concerned, at least where you're not taking a load.

Pete. 


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