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Oh damn. I knew there was a flaw in the plan.

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Excuse ME .. that's my photo from a couple of years ago and, thank you, it does work better than any other map storage system around.

'Obviously' for the purpose of the photo I took the map out of the Ortlieb map case, and it does mean that the map can't be lost when you take the rucksack off. Ie you can always see it, it can't fall out of your back pocket, venting mesh etc.

It is also faster to use than the strangled cord method and allows your expensive event/gore jacket to breath without the moisture being trapped by a 12 inch square sheet of plastic/paper!!

Maximum venting - minimum effort!!

Harumph ......

 Why though Bob? If i'm navigating, it's in my hand. If i know where i'm going, it's in my pack/pocket to stay dry and safe.
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Oh come on Bob, admit defeat!

No way is your system faster than the map-in-case+cord-around-neck-in-the-wind method - with your system you have to unravel the map - wherease with the windy-day-cord method it is already stuck to your face!

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Bob - that looks like an OMM pack .. so why don't you just put your map in an Ortleib mapcase and keep it in the side pocket? There you can reach it easily even with mitts on, nothing to undo  or fiddle with ... if its windy you can clip the cord to the shoulder strap.

Because I've lost a map before in a side pocket in a high wind, after I got fed up with it beating my cheeks into submission and leaving burn marks around my neck, that's why!

And if I'm using walking poles or I'm running in a race, I prefer to have my hands open and free so I have something soft to fall on
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That looks like an A4 map printout in the picture? I can't imagine being able to roll a whole OS map inside a mapcase into a bundle that'd sit so neatly along the pack strap - I reckon it'd be forever interfering with my arm.

I generally use an A5 Ortlieb case with its strap clipped to the bottom of my pack strap, and then stash it on the side of the pack in the wand pocket, ski-slot, or whatever the pack has there. On all of my packs I can reach round and get the map out to look at - on most of them I can put it away again!

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I don't see what the fuss is, here. When I'm out walking with two poles and need to quickly check the map, this method of holding it in place seems ideal. The alternative is to scrabble around trying to find the map that may have fallen out of your OMM side pocket. I find I'm regularly checking the 1:25k map when I walk in Berkshire/Surrey/Oxfordshire as rights of way are finely tuned - it isn't like the middle of Scotland where you have open access. And like Bob, I don't like rope burn from an Ortleib case around the neck - it gets blown all over the place anyway and is just a nuisance.

Sheesh! I was only saying what a cool idea it looked, that's all!

I would go on to say how cool I think the Starflint is, but may attract more cries of 'boring!' It is cool, though - I couldn't get the knack at first and last night managed to get the Gas BBQ lit with it. For those with the time, youtube has some wacky videos of how to use various flints, including a monster design for the USAF.

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I don't see what the fuss is, here.


Exactly! Most people were surprised that someone had found it worth posting about.
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quite right martin. my map is in a single loop of shockcord. none of these fancy plastic toggles with enough cord to stow a badger or two and key rings - after all minimum weight....

easy to use whatever pack you use and with a bit of practice you can always see the bit of map you're interested in. looking at the map is a very regular essential in the south east.

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Map get printed off memory map. Printout goes in large Aloksak also sold by Bob (Bob you make me poor)

When using map, its in my hands. When not using it its folded up smaller than a fag packet and in my trooser pocket. Easy peasy, spare gets folded up and stuffed into rucksack somewhere


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