 I think it's inspired.
So many children don't get the opportunity to try stuff, where would they get experienced help from? I can't exactly seee little Susie saying "Mummy can we go and try out climbing up some of Derbyshire's gritstone this weekend, it would be a shame to waste living so near the Peak District".
By placing it under their noses I think this will whet the appetite of some of them to try something 'real' or at the very least offer an opportunity to make the children aware that there is fun to be had and you don't have to go far to find it.
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 Great idea, now the kids will be able to scale the outside of your house to get to that upstairs open window!
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 Agree with the inspired. Sometimes you've gotta bring the mountain to mohammed so to speak.
Just because there IS great climbing locally, doesn't mean all schools (or parents for that matter) will have the time/resources/training to take the kids there for a taster.
Si(C)
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 Look at the drawbacks though, we could be training a whole new generation of cat burglars!!
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No such thing round our way. They just samsh windows on the ground floor!!
Si(C)
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 My mum lives in BETHESDA wow lucky me! the local kids have some of the best mountains outside the scottish highlands, but and this is a big but they don't care they want BEER, DRUGS, SEX don't we all! CLUBS , MUSIC, you walk past the SPAR of an evening and tell me that you don't feel paranoid.
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 yeah but whats wrong with combining the outdoors with clubs music etc....what r ya suposed to do of an evening when its dark?
I agree with the inspired, most parents wont have the money to pack little kiddies off to stanage equipped with all the latest gear, at least this way they get to try it without a huge investment. Plus its safer for younger kids than going n playing in the park thses days!
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 I like it. It's a good idea. Anything that gives the kids something to do.
I hate it when people complain about thing like these and then moan that kids are hanging around the street corners causing trouble.
NOT THAT ANYONE HERE HAS MADE THAT COMPLAINT. I was speaking generally. Pete has hit the nail on the head with his post there. But Ben is also right, a holistic approach needs to be taken to get as many kids involved. And for god sake...don't tell 'em it's good for them to get exercise.
That way patronising them lies!
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 Great Idea. Let's not get carried away thinking Derbyshire is one great big outdoor playground. (It has got electricity tarmaced roads etc..) Seriously, Derbys' has got all the estate crime problems most council authorities have and this is one way of opening new opportunities to kids they might not have realised were there. Funnily enough I was at Plas y Brenin on their climbing wall but was intimidated by the gangs of 'yoofs' hanging around (no pun intended). That's what they do, hang around looking surly; and thats just the girls!, or maybe its my age, although I'm sure I was never like that. LOL
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Of course...no of us ever were!
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As a snot nosed youth in 1977 with spikey hair and being obsessed with punk music and climbing I have to say my mates and I where far from the gob shite moron mentality that seems to plague todays youth culture.I became a reasonable musician, I played with some top bands at top venues all over the world, and years later still keep my hand in.My love of music and the outdoors has never been stronger, both sides of the same coin, so to speak. The youth of today don't like to learn, to involve themselves in anything outside their own gang culture which IMHO is another American cancer.
Yes I have had my share of sex, drugs, 'n' R&R but not at the expence of other people.
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 I wonder how the cost of this compares to going round with a mini bus, arranging short trips to places like the Roaches etc for the kids instead, the cost would (perhaps) be a bit easier to justify in that the mini bus could also be used for other projects......... just a thought
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Ahhhh but Dave...you suggest going somewhere to a load of teenagers and see what response you'd get, particularly if it was cold and they'd be standing outside for ages...Bringing the mountain to mohammed (as Si says) is surely the right answer. If it rains then the kids can just go inside rather than stand getting miserable at the bottom of a soggy crag.
And Steve. One could say that it's we, the adult generation, which have allowed things to get to such a state.
We have obviously failed a generation of kids and allowed them to de-generate into the "gob shite youth culture" of which you speak.
Not that I agree that it exists. Ok there are bad apples as there are everywhere, but I have to object to the broadbrush of which you speak.
If youths are being "Gobshites" it's up to us to provide a way out of that culture as eventually they will grow up to become the gobshite adults which are far more dangerous and far more expensive to society.
I am as angry as you are about the Americanisation of our culture, but we have to face facts that it has happened and is only going to get worse. How many people have had a "penny for the Guy" this year, and how many "trick or treaters" did you get?
We have to firstly inspire the youth and then guide them. Simple moaning about them isn't going to achieve anything except their alienation from us.
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 Cor, everyone's having a good go at this one! Lots of pro's and con's, but it will be inspired if it is linked to some means of progression. There have been lots of roadshow type tasters etc., to tackle problems, which mostly have sounded wonderful, but then it stops. Have climbing clubs/Outdoor Ed. providers etc. been linked in to this scheme to provide direction to those inspired?
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wouldn't imagin you'd find a mini-bus for much under £15 000. Then u gota train/recrute drivers, run the thing, tax it, etc etc.
P.s it is sad that most of 2-days youth prefere dressing in towny designer threads and hanging round the town or ripping around in nova's
Don't get me wrong, im not being old and dull saying these things shouldn't happen.i go out clubbing etc etc like everyone else, but still get time to go and enjoy the outdoors.
However, the outdoors cost a hell of a lota dosh (well, it does me) with gear n transport etc etc. Plus it isn't a well publicised sport so lots of people don't know about it.
So any method to increase people knowledge of the outdoors seems a good idea to me.
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Steve, if you think you weren't a 'gob shite moron' in 1977 then you have missed the point completely. Yes you were! and me too. LOL Because that is what you were labelled by the older generation. Surely as a 'snot nosed' punk you took some joy as we all did in antogonising the older generation just by being around. Fact is you got old like the rest of us and now you sound like your 'dad'. We shouldn't label the current generation as moron's, its a generalisation and they don't deserve it (as we didn't in our time).
Now Americans are my least favourite race. But if we criticise them all as a nation and a culture we fall into the same trap. Which bits of American culture upset you the most? Rock and Roll? Friends? JD Salinger? Star Wars? The National Park Movement? Omaha and Utah Beaches? The Fender Stratocaster?
Much as it hurts us to admit it we have a lot to thank America for, (and I agree a lot we could do without).
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It's nice to see my mate steve has once again caused some controversy !!I agree you cannot put all of today's youths in the GOBSHITE bracket, though the sub culture to which most belong is growing all the time, I spend a lot of time in Wales and the Lakes ,It can be like club 18 - 30 a weekends the kids want music sex drugs and they want it NOW! Alot of todays youth live for the moment,and for the most part care little for themselves or others,I have two grown up step daughters, one 25 & one 23. I also have a son who is 15, he is fired by music, nova's, rock music etc but he has an affinity with the outdoors & nature that I have constantly forced him into from a early age,yet his mates see visits into the hills as GAY and not the thing to be at.My sons mates revel in the sub culture that IMHO came from the states along with the SRAT,R&B,STARWARS,DRUG & GANG CULTURE etc.Getting kids involved in the outdoors has to be taught at a much earlier stage by the time kids reach 14 you can't teach e'm nowt anymore, look at the incidence of problems at schools, youth crime,drug abuse, under age sex the list is endless.Education must start with PARENTS!
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Have I missed the JOKE there Pete. Who is steve Zodiac? You obviously weren't trying to mislead us into thinking it wasn't you, otherwise you'd have changed your picture.
So, please, enlighten me....
Si(C)
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 Heathen!
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100MPH
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