 Looking at the price, weight and choice of materials for this jacket, theyre obviously not expecting people 'in the know' to buy it surely? Think what you can get for 290 notes! Some much better designed jackets with a good hood and full Pro Shell, eVENT or Paramo rather then the second best (of the product line that is) Gore Tex. If there is a black model at least the Chavs/Neds/Scallies will be happy 
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 Dont hold back there Smeg... Say what you really feel 
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 This could be a hit with the chavs though. DDDAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYY - want one for when i go out buring bus shelters
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 It's North Face.... They can't get away with selling the floppy hooded jackets for £250 unless they pitch anythign even close to being useful at more than that.
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 its expensive so it must be really good or even the best?!
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Thats true Hamish, I cant believe I overlooked that. Bugger. Well christmas is coming soon, Ill put it on my wish list 
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 Yep it does look expensive.
Saying that, I wear a Patagonia Stretch Element jacket, RRP £280, which as far as I can see has similar specs. It uses a 3-ply H2NO membraned stretch fabric which is apparently in a similar vein to 3-ply gore (though of course "more breathable"). People rarely seem to slag off Patagonia, so is this TNF jacket much worse?
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I would definately choose this one over the Pantheon anytiem, and save myself £30!
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Presumably Jon's jacket series will build eventually unveil the perfect jacket so we can all go buy it.
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 Its got more sticthing than a Hillberg!! yuk My local gear shop does no longer stock northface because (his words)Chav! couldnt agree more.
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I still dont know what a chav is..... Can anyone explain?
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 Lifted from www.anitsocialbehaviour.org: The origins of the word 'chav' are somewhat unknown. However, a stereotypical chav will be somewhat lacking in intelligence, culture and possess an in-bred nature of stupidity and a totally blinkered attitude.
Sometimes described as 'burberry' wearing individuals, the typical chav can often be seen indulging in anti-social behaviour in many environments, whilst casually dressed in tracksuit and (cheap gold jewellery) 'bling', coupled with an assortment of head gear (most often a cap). 'Chavs' are known for their regular participation within situations closely connected with many different types of anti-social behaviour. The chav can often resemble the Neighbour From Hell (NFH).
Some claim the word 'chav' is an acronym for Council Housed And Vulgar.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I get it... Like Jimmy Saville Now then, now then, guys and Galls uaeuaeauaeuauauaeuaueueua...... No - no, I'm missing something here. Jimmy certainly fits the physical description but surely he is really - Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE, KCSG, and as a knight of the realm is respected for his contributions to society? So whats missing....? Ahhhhhhh So to be a chav you have to dress like Jimmy Saville and come from a socioeconomically lesser environment with little or no hope for improvement as a young teenager because everybody has written you off as a ..... chav Bingo, got it now, what an enlightened society we live in....
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Jimmy Saville wouldn't have been the first name that entered my head when I think the word, Chav. I guess it's not that clearly defined though.  More like Vicky Pollard Sorry to hijack your thread, Smeg. I'll shut up now!
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UUUooouughhh I see what you mean now
Yeah sorry Smeg...........
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Im not fussed if you high jack it, always up for some chav bashing. The scots Ive heard call them NED's, this stands for Non Educated Dilinquent which I quite like. Thing is you wont hear of many famous chavs, because non of them ever really make it big. I think these groups like So Solid Crew and whatever would consider themselves as chavs. And I remember some pop star like person claiming to be the king of chavs, but cant for the life of me remember who now
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Chav spotting Required membership badges "Lesser known spotted chav" - Sports "Bling" and "Burburry" The "Chamelion Chav" Newborn Chav - As you can see this rare breed has already mastered basic communication skills. Chav's are also well known as breeders. Chav's can alos be spotted enjoying pastimes.
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 > I still dont know what a chav is.....
ChavScum should tell you all you need to know.
[link removed as it now points at a NSFW site. Jon]
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You know - until know I hadnt seen that Burberry pattern being worn, still haven't. I must be walking around with my eyes closed I guess.
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