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Shopping Tips - Mountain Shell Jackets
Our latest shopping savvy guide tells you how to try on a shell jacket and make sure it works for you.

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Gorilla Pie
01/05/08 10:15
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I think you guys should have added a point about weight. Personally, I find I spend a far greater proportion of my time wearing my softshell (Marmot Dri Clime), only adding my hard shell when conditions get really grizzly. It therefore stands to reason that people should buy the lightest shell jackets they can find, surely? Obviously you need something a tougher for Scottish winter or Alpine use, but for the vast majority of punters, I'd argue that weight is the main priority.

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Guy Hurst
01/05/08 12:28
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Good point. In any case, a lot of very lightweight jackets are more than capable of resisting even the foulest conditions, even though they don't give the psychological reassurance of feature-laden "bomproof" ones.
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Jon Doran
01/05/08 14:35
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I'm pretty sure the buyer's guide covers weight. The shopping tips are there to help you try stuff on and make sure the features on the jacket or whatever work properly.

As far as weight being the 'main priority for the vast majority of punters', I think what you really mean is weight combined with fitness for purpose and that depends on what you want the jacket to do. Yes, if you wear a highly weather resistant soft shell then it may be that all you're looking for is a very lightweight waterproof jacket with minimal features.

If, on the other hand, you use a different clothing system and your shell is used more, then other factors come into play. Ditto for Scottish winter use, though not necessarily for general alpinism.

It's all very well buying the lightest jacket you can find, but the lightest jacket you can find isn't going to last long with a heavy pack or in mixed climbing conditions, so it depends on your priorities. I'd rather have a well-designed jacket that works properly and weighs 100 grammes more than a really light one with a hood that doesn't close properly, pit-zips that open the wrong way and pockets that foul my harness or waist belt.

Lightweight stuff's very vogueish at the moment and kit generally is lighter across the board, but light weight isn't everything.
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Parky Again
01/05/08 18:35
well put jon.
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Gorilla Pie
02/05/08 12:17
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All fair points but my essential argument is simple.  I bet if you took a straw poll of all the punters on Helvellyn this weekend, you'd find that the majority of them bought jackets that are heavier and less breathable than they need to be for the activities those people do. Well, apart from all the coach parties, of course, who probably don't have waterproofs in the first place.  But you get my point. 
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Jon Doran
02/05/08 13:30
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I'm not saying that weight's not a consideration, just that it's not the most important factor to consider. Sure, if you had two jackets with good fit, breathability, sufficient durability for your intended use, features that work etc, then it would be logical to buy the lighter one, erm, as long as you like the colour of course

More generally, I think people need to get some perspective on light weight. By its nature, cutting weight tends to get a bit obsessive sometimes at the expense of function. Often the first thing to suffer is durability; generally lighter kit isn't as tough unless it uses very expensive fabrics and components - 'strong, light, cheap , pick two' - and often the buyer hasn't quite grasped that. Really light kit demands that the user has the skill and knowledge to use it properly.

At an extreme level, you could - conceivably - go climbing using a plastic carrier bag as a makeshift pack. You can see the blurb: 'Minimalist, light, waterproof and packs down to near nothing, the Tesco Alpine Extreme is a cutting edge climbing pack etc'. And technically it's true, but it relies on the user to understand that it's also not very abrasion resistant, has a very limited load capacity and no straps...

Okay, that's a somewhat daft example, but if you're going to buy, say, a sub-200 gramme waterproof shell, you also need to understand that it may die fast if you insist on using a pack, that the very thin face fabric may be prone to wetting out, that a short, fittted cut may offer less protection than a more mainstream jacket, that you will not have a map or hand warmer pockets and so on.

If you're aware of that, then fine. The problem comes when people have unrealistic expectations because what they want are the qualities and features of full weight kit but in a lightweight package. That's happening up to a point because fabrics are getting lighter and something like Gore's Pro Shell has cut weight relative to XCR, but is actually more durable...

Anyway, I do take your point, but I think it's actually quite a lot more complicated than it looks

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