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caveman john
03/07/09 15:23

I had a look at John's J.wolfskin link and they got this fabric:-

"TEXAPORE O4 EVO STRETCH 2L
The latest texapore development by JACK WOLFSKIN: the most breathable waterproof and lightweight two-ply laminate, it boasts an extremely high moisture vapour transmission rate of 40,000 g/m2/24 h and a water column rating of 20,000mm. These incredibly high ratings are achived by combining a closed-cell PU membrane with an open-pored catalytic layer. The support fabric is a light (146g/m²) and elastic polyester. Garments made from TEXAPORE O4 EVO STRETCH 2L have an extremely compact pack size and the active stretch properties deliver outstanding freedom of movement. "

Sounds too good to be ture. 

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John Burley
03/07/09 15:56
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um... well... yes it does. And the OP did say 'old' texapore so it won't be this one...

Sadly JW isn't the most available in the UK so there aren't that many comments available on this site...

The problem is with MVTR tests is that they're not a great model for real-world usage. But I'd curious to know if they stand by that claim...

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caveman john
03/07/09 16:11

> But I'd curious to know if they stand by that claim...

So would I. Doesn't seem to be a typo when texapore O2 has MVTR 20kg/m^2/day and texapore O3 has 30kg/m^2/day. I know test methods differ but 40kg!

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John Burley
03/07/09 16:28
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CJ,

just found this pdf... evidently they mean it!

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John Burley
03/07/09 16:32
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Oh... I've no doubt that there are membranes capable of 40kg per metre-square per 24hrs... but I'd be surprised if they were waterproof  and suitable for clothing! And under what temperature, & vapour pressure it was tested at we can only guess!

That said there's not enough (English language) user feedback about JW jackets for me to have much of a clue and I've never owned one myself. Their printed catalogue is something superb though, I have to admit!

John

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caveman john
03/07/09 17:10

It's interesting that they don't seem to state MVTR for the goretex they use...

I would like to know which test they used. 

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John Burley
03/07/09 17:34
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from some blogging from a patagonia insider....

It turns out that obtaining an accurate MVTR is incredibly difficult. When Patagonia first decided to test the breathability of our fabrics, we chose six different fabric labs around the world and sent off a piece of fabric cut from the same bolt to each lab. When the results came back it was both disappointing and enlightening. All six results were substantially different, so much so that you’d have sworn they tested different fabrics. The Quality Team then went one step further; they took the exact same piece of fabric and sent it back to the exact same lab to be retested. Wouldn’t you know it, the second laboratory tests did not reliably match the first set. Obviously, if independent laboratories couldn't provide similar results from the exact same fabric, comparisons between different fabrics (and brands) were impossible. This discrepancy is the reason we don't publish hard and fast numbers; any comparison with other fabrics would be meaningless. Anyone picking a product based on one published number is putting a lot of faith in a marketing team and an unknown lab.

then some details of how they do it 'in house'

An MVTR test uses a humidity difference to create a vapor pressure between the inside and outside of a fabric. We run ours so the inside of the fabric is at or as close as possible to 100% RH and the outside is maintained at a very even (computer controlled) 50% RH. These settings may not sound like they are "real world" but the test must be run with no temperature gradient between the inside and outside, and it is run at our standard controlled lab temperature of 73F. What these operating conditions nicely create however is a small vapor pressure similar to what exists on a very warm and humid day. It's a worse case scenario so we make sure that materials will perform to our standards even when it's hot and humid. Of course the cooler and dryer it is outside the better the breathability performance.

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