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Chris Hall 2
25/08/09 12:32
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Hi

Off to the Pyrenees shortly and making for the Gavarnie area.  Anyone know how difficult the climb is from the Refuge de la Breche to the Breche de Roland?  Apparently there is a steep snow slope and a tiny glacier - will an ice axe and crampons be necessary at this time of year?  The Kev Reynolds book is not very clear on this.

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Derek Goffin
25/08/09 14:34

I did this 3 weeks ago, the snow slope is not very steep and there is a very clear line of footsteps and usually lots of people traversing. We had ice axe and crampons and did not even think of stopping to get them out. Even first thing after a clear night when the snow was hard you would be ok.

We got lost getting up from the cirque to the refuge but that is another story.

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philip lenaghan
26/08/09 14:25
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Derek's correct. I was up that way the beginning of July and equipment wasn't necessary. A lot of the snow had melted and you could go up most of the way on scree as well until the glacier. However if you're not going for a couple of weeks then they could be necessary. The nights are starting to get cooler so it could be a bit tricky on the last section of the glacier that gets a bit steeper. 

As for the way up from the cirque to the glacier if you're thinking of taking the echelle de Sarradets then I think the powers that be are trying to discourage some people and I read somewhere that they have removed the signs. It does happen that a lot of french think because the paths are waymarked that it is not difficlut and a map is not needed hence there have recently been a lot of accidents on paths such as this. (I was once asked by a guy if he was on the GR10 and which mountain was the Petit Vignemale, which he intended to climb). But the path is still there and popular.

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Derek Goffin
26/08/09 16:12
Philip, Maybe you know where we went wrong. We found red paint splashes on the floor of the cirque and a path that took us to a rockfield at the foot of the cirque cliff. We lost the paint splashes in the rockfield but we had seen a sort of wide natural ledge or balcony, grass covered, climbing  to the right up the cliff at about 25 degrees, we thought that would be what is referred to as the balcon de Sarradets, we could see a walker ahead of us so although there were no more paint splashes and not much path we thought it must be right. The ledge continued right for a long way some of it difficult and we ended on a grassy slope climbing beside a steepsided gully on our right with cliffs above us on our left. The grass itself at about 45 degrees sloping to the gully and against the way we were climbing. We had just rounded a rock buttress which involved easy but small hand and footholds but a clear drop into the gully when the walker abouve us descended to us saying he was lost and intended on going down as it was 6 o'clock.  With difficulty we bivouacked up there the 3 of us. We decided we were on the wrong side of the Pic De Sarradets. In the morning we climbed up beside the gully until we could cross it and at the same time the cliffs on our left became a climbable slope and up there we found a path, probably used to climb the Pic de Sarrdets which we descended until it met the proper path to the refuge just at the top of the original cliffs of the cirque. The path there was good and waymarked with the paint splashes. I do not know how the path gets down the cliffs as we continued with a circuit and ascent of Perdido and did not come back that way.
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philip lenaghan
27/08/09 11:33
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Derek, I might be wrong but it sounds to me that you may have overshot the path and indeed were heading up to Pic Sarradets if the cliffs were on the left. If I recall correctly at about 2000 metres or thereabouts the path suddenly turns almost due south and so maybe seeing the other chap ahead you missed the turn. I'm not sure.
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Chris Hall 2
28/08/09 20:34
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Thanks for the advice - I think we'll take a chance in not needing winter gear - one of our party does not have any in any case and would have to procure some
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philip lenaghan
29/08/09 08:17
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If it is necessary you can always hire winter gear in Gavarnie which is what a lot of people do.
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Jim Chalmers
29/08/09 15:46
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We used crampons on the ascent to the Breche du Roland in September a few years ago. The slabby rocks on the French side were very icy and I certainly wouldn't have been happy without crampons. The descent on the Spanish side was much easier - on snow at first, then scree.
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Chris Hall 2
19/09/09 21:06
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Just back from the Pyrenees and no problems getting up to the Breche - although we did take ice axes with us as a precaution.  We too had problems getting to the Breche refuge via the Echelle des Sarredets - two French hikers close to the start of the Echelle said they were only there having lunch and the path was in the opposite direction.  An hour later and 300m higher, we realised we had been completely misdirected and had to backtrack to the bottom again where we found the path where the French hikers were was in fact the correct one.  The Echelle once found is obvious - like a giant's staircase in the side of the cirque.  By the time we got to the top of the Echelle, the cloud was down and the path hard to follow.  We finally stumbled on the refuge, but there were a few anxious moments...
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