 Well, a bonus point, Paramo, for producing a Fuera jacket for women, but you lose it for only producing the Velez Adventure Trousers in a men's fit. You did this with the Velez Adventure Light smock too. How long are we going to have to wait this time, please?
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 OMG, that jacket is the colour of Baby's First Attempt.... 
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 Well, a bonus point, Paramo, for producing a Fuera jacket for women, but you lose it for only producing the Velez Adventure Trousers in a men's fit. You did this with the Velez Adventure Light smock too. How long are we going to have to wait this time, please? why don't ya just but the men's trousers and carry a spare pair of socks in the baggy bit at the front?
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I don't want to encourage you to go round staring at women, MCN, but there are a few more differences between average male shape and average female shape than just the 'baggy bit at the front'.
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Eh?
Velez Adventure Trousers (OM article)..... ....and Velez Adventure Trousers (Paramo website) What happened to the fly? 
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.jpg) full of socks? No, surely the front flap lets down instead of an fly opening?
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 The top pic (the one from the article) is the Torres pants. The bottom one is what the Velez trousers look like, with a fully functioning fly (and button/popper, unlike the Cascadas)
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So they are, Thanks RobM. I was fooled by the photo being with the VA trousers bit of the article, didn't even notice the Torres being mentioned. Note to self: read articles properly.
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 they need to gague the market first. and the ladies ones will have all the irritating niggles of the mens version designed out of them - like the pocket flaps may actually not jam into the pocket zips everytime you use them.
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Benco - that picture is in an odd place in the article.
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Torres trousers: "apparently can be donned 'without lifting either foot off the ground', which is an interesting concept" Thats neat, if you have full length zips anyway then why not have them so they can undo at the top. Does anyone make waterproof troos that do that?
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My Regatta full zip overtrousers have full zips that undo at the top. Quite handy being able to put them on/take them off without 'threading' feet through, or even lifting feet up. Hardly ever use them though!
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 Torres Trousers - got some recently in sale and tried on today. The zips which attach via zipping at the top and pulling down are very fiddly, taken me a few attempts to make them connect. I'd hate to have cold hands and be spending 5mins getting zips engaged. A lot to be said for big ole baggy elasticated alternatives.
The thighs are tight on me, wearing over some Craghoppers which would be my typical winter walking trousers, Torres trousers size medium, with massive room in the calves and in the bum, but I have cyclist's legs. I currently bike 70-120 miles most weekend days up mountains and that thickens the upper leg more than average.
The regions of belt-bum and the knee-ankle seems roomy but the crotch-knee seems way too tight for walking - not an issue for sitting still but an issue for walking.
In winter, I do more walking and less cycling and that typically narrows my thighs but widens everywhere else so probably these over-trouser will fit for winter walking.
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 Hey, look, we've got this far with a thread mentioning Paramo without anyone launching the "I hate Paramo because...." tangent. This is surely a record?
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I hate the quito trews because the side poppers are in the wrong place.
I hate the light torres material - going for a market that is already too well served by others for the weight obsessed.
The colours are improved though...
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The core waterproof product line (Velez, Alta, Cascada) are worn all day type garments and interest in lighter fabrics is really for those are seeking to extend the use into warmer climates and served by VAL, Quito, Vista.
The interest in light fabrics for overlayers is these layers are packed and worn at coolest times of day. My guess is why the use of the heavier fabrics is being weeded out or relegated to coloured green for standing-still situations. Parky, I'm looking at the Quito trews on Friday, thanks for drawing attention to the popper layout.
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 I'd look at the trousers as well if they were in a long leg. I can only get cascadas this way at the moment but I believe there is a move to make them longer. They've certainly made short legs now on other models. Come on paramo, complete the range for us tall lanky folk.
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 Well you know who very much an option that way if needed  And they'll fit.
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The poppers about the knee are in the wrong place for me (and in a different place to the cascadas) They allow the knee to gape and from there let too much water in. May be ok for you though nigel.
Lol. I just hate the light fabrics in the torres range. If you're going to do it, do it properly and don't play half arsed at it.
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The poppers about the knee are in the wrong place for me (and in a different place to the cascadas) They allow the knee to gape and from there let too much water in. May be ok for you though nigel. Lol. I just hate the light fabrics in the torres range. If you're going to do it, do it properly and don't play half arsed at it. I accept partly, when you look at the items, you see a Frankenstein of fabrics like a child's project, and obviously the total garment weight is NOT actually less. Each seam is a source of potential failure. However, one can understand WHY - to put tougher fabric where it is needed (arse, knees). I do wonder if the stitching of the fabrics is adding all the weight back on of the lighter fabric removes? I was happy with the Cascadas til the shorter jackets exposed the front pockets. I wonder if you Parky are a car-hiker of home-hiker and not really bothered by weight as you're wearing it from your front door, or from the car, or your sack is quite empty and you aren't bothered by weight overall? I just done a test pack, and re-pack, and re-pack, and re-pack, and I'm thinking of throwing out items for weight/volume reasons. Plan-B to keep in a reasonable weight is called "turn around" technique if weather is bad. I welcome anything in the warm/weight/volume curve. I am already planning on hiking many days wearing Paramo waterproofs which I vent and just pack extra for the coldest times, so I'm packing practically no clothes. From past camping trips where I shivered I am now placing more pack volumes on sleeping items (bag, mat). I am also relying totally on Paramo's waterproofness, it having not let me down ever if I understand its weaknesses. I'm still though thinking an eVent (or equivalent) overshell just in case.
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