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New for review, Paramo's lightest ever waterproof jacket, the sub-500g Quito.

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Nigel Healy
21/10/09 05:47
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I own one now. Perhaps you had a prototype, because it actually has two internal pockets quite large, its basically a fully symmetric design inside+out.
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Parky Again
21/10/09 08:37

i'm sure the one i tried on in the shop only had one giant internal pocket - on the left - along with the dinky warmer pouches inside the lower zip.

how peculiar.

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ALoveSupreme
21/10/09 08:39
Mine has 2 big internal pockets too, mesh lined, so the whole of the jacket is only one thickness of Paramo-ness, which will surely mean it is less warm than jackets with double layers at pockets etc.
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Nigel Healy
21/10/09 18:58
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I took some photos.

 Below taken 5 minutes ago in California sunshine, inside is a 1pt drinking bottle to show the roominess and to the left (blurry, I know) is a measuring tape to show scale. There two such pockets symmetric left/right.

http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m421/NigelHealy/Quito/DSC03493.jpg




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Nigel Healy
21/10/09 20:50
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So watch this space.

 I am a measured 40" chest, if I add a fleece mid-layer which is the most you'd wear under Paramo, bearing in mind is an insulating jacket and Paramo already sell the overlayering Torres products, I expand to 42".

 I've measured the fabric on the LARGE size across the line which matches the human chest and it's..... 50" !

So 10" of loovely bagginess.

Paramo's website shows sizes going in steps of 2", and they state "up to", as I'm actually 40" if I were slightly larger I'd be too big and the jacket become tight, acorrding to Paramo's published information.

If I cortionist put myself in the most jacket-stretching positions to try to  get it tight, of order 2" to 4" bagginess after allowing for all combinations noting I know backpack straps pull under the arms so you need a degree of bagginess so to not damage the fabric in normal outdoor usage.

I've just emailed Paramo to complain. Perhaps they hired some ex-Hubble space telescope engineer who simply measured wrong.

In interim, I'd challenge the wording and sizing information on Paramo's website. My dealer is being super-nice but its the manufacturer who owns design mistakes.

If I could be sure the medium wasn't shorter, it would be probably be optimal factoring all possible combination of use.

 Also, a I enter winter, I'll likely be doing less cycling, that typically takes an inch off my chest due to that muscle that goes under the arm from behind the shoulder atrophy because cycling tends to exercise upper body more than walking. I also typically do more walking in winter, and its wetter, so I'm right now on the upper end of my chest size for the intended use. That means if Paramo cut cloth right, I should actually be a "large" as I up to 40".

Its a super-nice jacket otherwise. There's about 2 inch slack around the bottom which is the sort you need so it doesn't ride up as you move around, and to use the hand-warmers, if they simply kept that order of room going up the torso, so it actually matched the "close-fitting" description they'd have a winner.

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Roy Turner
23/10/09 19:12
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Had my waterproof stolen recently when over-nighting in a Scottish bothy.

I woke up late and found that the charmingly chatty party of the previous night had left . . and so had my old-and-battered-but-entirely-serviceable Paramo.  Can't quite decide whether or not I was being complimented on my choice of gear, but whoever it was left an old-and-battered-and-barely-wearable load of junk in its place.

So-o-o . . as soon as I got back down from the hills I bought myself the new Quito.  It's a beauty (much lighter than my old jacket) and has already kept me dry as a bone on an ultra-wet day in the Lakes and it feels so silky soft too! 

The store only had the green in stock and although some may think its the pits, I've already grown to like it. In any case, it's a nice change from the cacophony of orange that seems to plague the fells these days.

It's a bit short at the front but this and the elasticated bum skirt at the back means it doubles up nicely as a cycling waterproof. 

When tramping in the hills, my trusty Casadas cover my disgracefully-bulging front midriff just fine.

Across the moobs I come in at 44 inches and find the large size fits just right.  Over a base layer it's cooler than I expected but if needed, a long sleeve reversible shirt soon sorts that out.  Come winter, I'm gonna need to overlay with my Torres gilet and I think I might add those kooky-looking sleeves to keep my arms warm as well.

At first, when wearing the jacket, I couldn't find the handwarming pockets, but a bit of furtive fumbling soon revealed how neatly concealed they are at the bottom of those fabulously long sleeve/torso vent zips.  When it turns warm again next year, those vents are going to be well appreciated. My jacket has two internal map pockets and although only mesh, I had no problems with soggy maps that less breathable jackets can cause.

So far then, I am - as we say here in Lancashire - well-chuffed with the Quito.

Only problem is, next time I'm in a bothy, this is one jacket I don't intend to hang on a peg overnight . . it'll probably be with me in my sleeping bag!

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Benco
23/10/09 20:07

Nigel

Interesting that is, how does that chest measurment compare to other paramo jackets? (if you have others that is?). Just checked my Buffalo shirt (size 42"), measured out flat (48"), my chest size is 42" and that fits perfectly around the chest with a thin baselayer, certainly wouldn't want to be any smaller. So Paramo's sizing (up to 43"), measured 50" would probably be about right for someone my size if I had the equivalent of a deep pile jacket on underneath it.......like you I can't see how that tallies with the description "This lightweight, close-fitting multi-activity jacket has been designed for high energy activities and warmer temperatures"

Still....I'll have to try one on to see.

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Nigel Healy
24/10/09 03:17
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Your figures back my own. That is 10 inch spare is about 4 inch too much when you factor garment underneath and freedom. So your 42 would be approaching right size.for large but even then you might be a medium. It is as if they put the L label on a jacket cut for XL or some other needle+thread mistake. I am perfectly happy with my Fuera smock in medium apart from it is not a cycling cut due to sleeves. When I was in the store many years ago and tried Velez I found medium a tad too short in the arms and a tad too tight in the tightest body positions given wanting room for a fleece underneath so in the Velez what Paramo recommends was backed by my store experience and picking large. Years later, picking an item through email exchange with Paramo I go for large. I have emailed Paramo, no reply as yet.
I am posting here so potential buyers mailorder wait til Paramo figure it out or recommend you all try on in store before purchase. We have the issue with two or one internal pocket so there has been some product tweaks and is there a manufacturing mistake???
Walking along the bay in San Francisco wearing my medium Merapi pants medium cambia tshirt and my medium explorer top under a beatiful moon.hoping Paramo reply and resolve this before we get the wet season.
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ALoveSupreme
24/10/09 09:51
Nigel - maybe you should've bought the Medium? Especially as other Medium Paramo stuff fits you? My XL fits me well - I'm 6'1, broad-shouldered but not large, the sleeves are a great length. I've never got a remotely good fit in a Paramo garment before - I was astounded by how much better the cut of the Quito is.  Sure, if you measure across the chest you get a big number because of the angel wing style sleeves - they aren't tight and restrictive in the armpits - if you want pit zips to work  you can't have a sharp corner. The payoff is that you can move your arms freely above your head for climbing, or out in front of you for cycling, without pulling at the jacket or the sleeves pulling up.
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Benco
24/10/09 10:03
Does analogy fabric have any stretch at all?
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Matt C
24/10/09 10:05
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Benco
24/10/09 10:10

So like ALS said the excess fabric is there to allow freedom of movement....unless it is a measuring glitch in a new design.....

"Still....I'll have to try one on to see." Roll on Christmas

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ALoveSupreme
24/10/09 10:48
Benco I'm 6'1 and I can hold my arms straight above my head and the cuffs still reach well past my wrists and onto my palms. Brilliant as far as I'm concerned. When I drop my arms to my side, the material hangs loosely well away from my armpits so the fit feels really nice. If you open the pit-zips you get a nice big breezy hole - big enough in fact to take your arm right out. The fit across my chest and back is actually fine - just the angel wing type sleeves lead to a big number if you measure the thing.
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Benco
24/10/09 13:01
Sounds good, having arms like an ape I usually find that jackets that fit in the torso have sleeves that are too short.
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Nigel Healy
24/10/09 18:09
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Roy Turner wrote (see)

Had my waterproof stolen recently when over-nighting in a Scottish bothy.

It's a bit short at the front but this and the elasticated bum skirt at the back means it doubles up nicely as a cycling waterproof. 

When tramping in the hills, my trusty Casadas cover my disgracefully-bulging front midriff just fine.

Across the moobs I come in at 44 inches and find the large size fits just right. 

Roy, sorry to hear of your theft but you upgraded out of it

Yours is now a 3rd vote that the jacket has about 4 inch too much as your chest is 4 inch bigger than mine and you find a large just right.

Now at this point I owe Paramo an apology, when looking at their website I see now I was looking at the womens sizes and mens size is 43 in Large, and my 40" should be a medium. Ahhh..... my mistake is easier to fix. Doesn't explain why my Velez was about-right in Large. Had I bought a women's size???  

The too-short thing, I find the Quito in large just about right. I own Cascada trousers for the cold/wet winter days and cycling I use typically OMM Kamleicka.

What you reckon on the sleeves - I think they are way too long, but I found a similar issue with Rab Drillium, is that deliberate so you don't need gloves as much, run off past the fingers?

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ALoveSupreme
24/10/09 23:16
I think the sleeves are a fantastic length - don't you dare complain! With the cuffs undone they fall half way down my thumb - perfect! You can grasp them and open the pit zips easily, reach above your head without exposing wrist, reach for things on the grouund, lots of overlap with gloves - smashing - the only Paramo garment I've ever tried that is remotely a good fit in the arms.The body is a decent but not excessive length too. Nigel, if you think the sleeves are too long and the body is too generous, isn't the best way of looking at it that you are a medium not a large? - from your pic you seem quite a lanky lad. Maybe you needed to buy a large Velez to get long enough arms?
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Nigel Healy
25/10/09 00:05
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Dealer is offering to swap. Anyone have a medium size? What is the length of sleeve and length of torso? Tell from what point to what point you measure I can do same and figure it out. I want same torso length 4 inch off chest and something off arms. Yes need room to move and for pitzips seem I should have got a medium.
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Nigel Healy
25/10/09 01:25
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OK peeps, in an effort to help current and future owners of the Quito, I've taken the time to measure my Large. Can someone who gets a Medium please do the same please? I've had difficultly figuring what is the best way to measure that impacts what people need. e.g. if I measure the outside of the garment, e.g. from the armpit to the end of the sleeve, then it doesn't factor the bagginess issue.

 So.... 

  • holding the arms out to form a straight line as if you were stood as a scarescrow, the distance from the centre (the zip) to the end of the sleeve is 37 inch
  • length of the front zip is 37.5 inch

 In just a baselayer, my arms straight to my sides, has half an inch longer than my thumb. In outstretched cycling position my hand becomes exposed so all my thumb is exposed. Adding a mid-layer, this reduces, so its about a quarter inch past end of my thumb arms to side, but no noticeable difference outstretched in cycling pose.

  Now as this is the waterproof layer, it needs to be longer in sleeve than mid or base, because otherwise the wicking effect, we like to spread out sweat, will suck up rain if sleeve is too short. My mid-layer in medium is about right is 33.5 inch from centr to end of sleeve, so that's 4 inch longer than the Large Quito sleeve, I'd not want more than say 2 inch shorter. 

So having concluded the chest size I fit a medium, I'm just interested in the torso length and sleeve.

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Roy Turner
25/10/09 11:10
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Nigel, I know . . it was the keyboard wot did it

So let's make that front zip length 27.5 inch (70cm)

Hope you'll get sorted with the medium size.  When - in a moment of misplaced vanity - I tried on the medium at Out 'n' About in Poulton I thought the front was a bit shorter than that on the large so you'll probably want to know what it is before you swap.

Sleeves seem fine to me - just let the rain drip off the cuffs while your hands stay snug inside and I agree with ALoveSupreme: everything works exactly as it should - but rarely does on most jackets.  Also, when I'm on my Dahon folder they feel just right for me.

BTW folks - try rounding the corners off the velcro patches on the cuffs.  Gives a much more civilised feel to the sleeves. And while you're at it, why not consider unstitching those brutal 'Analogy Waterproof by Nikwax' badges as well? 

Just don't forget - even though Paramo gear isn't as troubled as others would be - that sharp scissors and lightweight waterproofs don't always make a happy marriage and that that's all the legal disclaimer you're getting from me

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Nigel Healy
25/10/09 18:07
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Thanks for confirming the medium length is shorter, that is one vote to tolerate the baggy chest. The OM forum doesn't let editing after someone else has replied, I realised the typo too late.

 On balance, if its true the medium is quite a bit shorter...... I'll probably stick with the large and enjoy is roominess. It also allows possibility to loan to my son who is quite a bit bigger than me. I blame all that labourious spoon feeding 16 years ago.

 I've learned that in the long-term, its best to hunt down the best deal online and buy in advance of need, otherwise you end up just walking into a store and paying whatever the price is when conditions poke you in your gear's weakest point. Also, as our needs change, we often buy a different item and sell items. Given at some point I may sell my Quito, I will look after it extremely well and not remove the label.

Small world, I used to live in St Annes 20 years ago, the pubs were nicer in Poulton. I'll be wearing my Quito cycling my folding Brompton, both here in Califonia and next month in Lancashire, Yorkshire, Milton Keynes and Manchester. The Quito rolls up small and fits in the rear pocket of my Brompton's S-bag. What's good for lightweight backpacking is good for lightweight cycling. I don't particularly want shorter as you need run-off at top of thigh not further up where the wicking undergarments suck it up and stinky cyclist effect.

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