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Everything you need to know about choosing an all-round ice axe by Paul Lewis.

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Guy Hurst
07/01/10 11:33
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Ah, the old "You need a stout weighty axe to cut steps" argument. What about that wonderful modern invention crampons, which largely remove the need? How many people actually ever cut more than a couple of steps these days -- I don't.
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* Didster *
11/01/10 20:33
I dont .
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GOF
11/01/10 20:36
Must admit, the last time I cut steps was to help someone else who didnt have crampons and who had got a touch stuck.
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Glyn
11/01/10 20:42

I've never cut steps, never seen anyone cut steps, never seen evidence of steps having been cut.

but who am I to argue with the guys at www.peakmountaineering.com ?

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Matt C
11/01/10 22:05
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I have.....

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but not often.

I might do it if I hadn't taken crampons (e.g. on a ski tour), or if it was a very short section, with minimal risk, that didn't really merit the faff of fitting crampons.

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Mrs. Nesbit
11/01/10 22:16
>>>Paul is a fully qualified mountaineering instructor and member of the Association of Mountaineering Instructors. He also holds several other outdoor qualifications in kayaking, mountain biking, archery and orienteering.

He is a fellow of the Royal Geographical Society (FRGS), Accredited Practitioner of the Institute of Outdoor Learning (APIOL), qualified teacher, holder of the Certificate in Off-Site Safety Management and, of course, a qualified first aider.

Yup. Obviously a complete charlatan

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paul lewis 3
11/01/10 22:51
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Phew.  At least you didn't give me a hard time about ice axe length!
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Matt C
11/01/10 22:58
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Hold on Paul, they're just warming up..... 
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paul lewis 3
11/01/10 23:02
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Thanks Matt.  I can't wait!
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Metric Kate
11/01/10 23:02
You could set up a really exciting multi-activity event with Paul's outdoors quals though: what about following an orienteering course on a mountain bike whilst shooting at kayakers? It would sure beat biathlon.
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paul lewis 3
11/01/10 23:02
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Actually, I probably can
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Mrs. Nesbit
11/01/10 23:06
My comment was tongue in cheek, and in response to Glyn's arsiness, BTW.
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paul lewis 3
11/01/10 23:06
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Didn't I mention my biathlon qualification Kate?

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paul lewis 3
11/01/10 23:09
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No problem Sean.  I sussed that.

I do hope the replies keep coming though.  I love using these smileys!

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Metric Kate
11/01/10 23:10
Couldn't see it from a quick glance at your site, Paul, but I was intrigued by the archery offering the option to "shoot an apple off your bosses’ head." If you could just change 'off' to something a bit more penetrating...
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paul lewis 3
11/01/10 23:18
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Unfortunately I need the next level of archery qualification before I can offer that Kate.  We should have that option on the site soon.

Maybe I'll write a skills article about it for OM.  That should prompt a few interesting replies.

Now, which smiley do I want? Ah yes.......  That's perfect! 

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Metric Kate
11/01/10 23:34
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Chris Townsend
11/01/10 23:41
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Okay, ice axe length.

"Old school thinking always said that your axe should be two inches off the floor when you held the head in your hand and stood with your arm down by your side.  The trouble with this is that it makes your axe hard to use for anything other than as a walking stick."

I disagree. This "old school thinking" is right for hillwalking and general mountaineering. I use a 70cm axe and have done for years and can use it for ice axe braking and cutting steps (I have occasionally done so!).  On descents it's much better than a short axe as you can plunge it into the snow ahead of you. I've tried short axes and I feel insecure using them and find self-arrest more awkward.

I've no objection to people using short axes if they prefer them. But I do object to misinformation about longer axes.

As for this being old school here's a quote from "The Mountaineering Handbook: Modern Tools and Techniques That Will Take You To The Top"  by Craig Connally, published 2005:

"I advise going slightly longer than the recommended length, perhaps as long as the pick touching boot sole level ..... plan on at least 70cm length for most mountaineers and 75cm or longer for tall ones".

The author argues that short axes make falls more likely during descent and that long axes  are just as good or possibly better for self-arrest and improve self-belays too.

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paul lewis 3
12/01/10 00:36
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Hi Chris,

I hoped my article was expressing my opinion rather than misinforming - but my sincere apologies if you felt otherwise.  My view remains that an axe of about 55cm is the optimum length for general mountaineering...

In descent on steeper slopes it should be ready to perform a self belay by being held by the axe head in the uphill hand.  If the axe is longer it is harder to hold it by the head and I find this makes it harder to bring into a self arrest position.

A shorter axe comes more easily into arrest position because when the adze is placed by the hollow of the clavicle the spike is at a good point to be gripped and covered by the other hand.  

A shorter axe is easier to store either down the side comprehension straps of the pack or tucked down between the shoulder straps for times when it might be needed quickly. 

Finally, a shorter axe is likely to be a bit lighter so the user can either carry a lighter axe or have that extra weight in the head to allow easier step cutting and added penetration on hard snow and ice. 

So that leads to my opinion on ice axe head weight

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paul lewis 3
12/01/10 00:37
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Oops.  Make that compression rather than comprehension!
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