 I like the sound of the Guide Pants. They sound like a cracking pair of breeks for proper winter conditions.
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The proper hood sounds good -- always been as weakness of the Buffalo stuff in particular. Not sure whether the use of Polartec fleece is necessarily a good move though. I always thought the structure of the pile used in the Buffalo tops was a major plus in moving moisture away from the skin.
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 Well pile might work a little better in theory mind but this liner does look a bit R1ish so probably not too shabby  Maybe just pragmatic. If everyone is going to stick a base layer under it anyway (and they mostly will I suspect, whatever would make most sense) then you logically have to make it a little less warm etc. Really nice price on this (as with the extreme of course).
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 Sweet. Looks just like the Patagonia Speed Ascent, which, typical of Patagonia, was withdrawn after a year despite it being absolutely awesome. It's about £100 cheaper too, which should help sales...
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I'll stick with my regular VR jacket. It's warm enough for me for depths of winter so why get a warmer top? In fact I've stopped wearing it now as its too warm now. I guess I must just run hot but this new VR will be way too hot for me. Spent almost all winter in my VR with a summer weight wicking t-shirt base layer. Rab generator smock on when I stop and straight off just before I move on after the lunch stop.
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 Mike - the trousers do look good. I have a pair of VR trousers which are great for slubbing in huts being fantastically warm but have also been terrible (for me) for the hills having the cut of an old pair of tracksuit trousers. Good stuff.
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Mike - the trousers do look good. I have a pair of VR trousers which are great for slubbing in huts being fantastically warm but have also been terrible (for me) for the hills having the cut of an old pair of tracksuit trousers. Good stuff. I've got the VR trackie bottoms too. As you say, the design isn't the best. The new ones seem more practical.
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 I'll stick with my regular VR jacket. It's warm enough for me for depths of winter so why get a warmer top? In fact I've stopped wearing it now as its too warm now. I guess I must just run hot but this new VR will be way too hot for me.
I don't think it'll be as warm as, say, a Buffalo or a Montane Extreme, partly because the insulation isn't as thick as pile but also because the shell fabric is more breathable than standard Pertex. But ultimately it's all about what works for you and that'll vary according to what you're doing, how hot you personally run, how cold the conditions are etc. The VR Guide trousers look good in the flesh - basically standard VR fabrics but with ankle scuff patch/crampon protection, venting and more knee articulation, looks spot on for UK winter legwear.
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 I'm a bit puzzled by this. I love my VR jacket in all seasons. But in winter (I run very cold) I wear a Patagonia regulator fleece underneath (over merino baselayer). I
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Jon. My old VR breeks have a drawstring ankle closure. What is the story with the new ones? The old ones were terrible for high leg lifts. Tight crotch , and binding knees.
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 Just got one of these for Christmas, so now hoping for a significant drop in temperature in the very near future so I can wear it out and about without risking heat exhaustion!
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 I think it might be to warm for me too. Untill it's below -8c ish, bit warmer if blowing a 'hoolie', a base layer a VR jacket is all I need if moving as normal. If I know I'll be moving slow or stopping often, I'll add a light fleece. I'll carry LW Waterproofs, but I'll only use them if it's really belting it down, when on it's like beening in a sauna. I'd use mostly if stopped and I start to chill down to much.
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