 IIRC. The big problem with bio fuels, is the amount of land needed to grow them. With the way the world's population is growing, we will soon run out of land to produce enough to feed the population. Where are we going to get the land to grow bio fuels? You can't grow bio fuels and food if their won't be enough land to grow food. We all need to eat! Though I suppose it would help the obeseity problem if we all had less food to eat. You can't grow both bio and food. So what do you do? Grow bio and people will starve to death. Grow food and you can't grow bio fuels. The answer to that question I've no idea.
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 well with the current political idea you get third world countries to grow it for you.
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 Unfortunately, the only way to stop people using a commodity that is considered bad (car & aviation fuel, booze, fags, most forms of grid electricity etc etc) is to tax it to bits. Gradual price increases do not work as folk do not get the instance hit of being seriously out of pocket and just moan but pay up. (But the petro-fuel industry surely know this.) If the UK is really serious about being greener and doesn't want to cripple ordinary people, then rationing might be the solution. Cheap fuel tokens to allow people to travel a reasonable distance to work and then heavy taxes for those who go over. Doesn't suit folk trying to get away to the hills for the weekend though!
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How can the third world grow them for us? That would mean their people would starve. Some of them barely grow enough to feed them selves, never mind growing bio crops for us. Add in natural disasters like the flooding that happens in Bangledesh, India, etc. where the first world countries have to supply emergency food and it won't work. The supply would be too unrelable. Add on 'climate change', if you belive in it or not and things would get worse as you wouldn't be able to grow as much as we can now.
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We have just got to get used to using less of our world's resources! Travel is still relatively cheap. I know of one family that drives their children half a mile to school because "they breathe in too many car exhaust fumes when they walk". As I have mentioned in an earlier post the book "Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air" is a free download and covers the subject in some detail. It is noteworthy that it's author has been asked to advise both the old Labour government and the present coalition one.
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Huskyman
"How can the third world grow them for us?
That would mean their people would starve. Some of them barely grow enough to feed them selves, never mind growing bio crops for us."
That's true but I bet it won't stop us from trying. We're shipping our rubbish and toxic waste all over the world, paying for it of course, and the governments of the poorer countries are lapping it up and to hell with their own people. I can't see why, if it's profitable for us, we'd even think about questioning the morality of it (we never have so far). Just look at the disgusting practices of the a whole basketful of our most well known and well loved multinationals (read governments) like nestlè and coca cola, proctor and gamble, monsanto and the like to see just how much nobody cares.
Nobody that counts in the west is remotely interested in the third world, most individuals aren't either, and unfortunately though we feel we have progressed beyond the medieval concept of fraternity, we haven't. So if there's a possiblity of getting cheap fuel from exploiting the poorer countries, we will.
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I might have to frame that post!
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 Nobody that counts in the west is remotely interested in the third world, most individuals aren't either, and unfortunately though we feel we have progressed beyond the medieval concept of fraternity, we haven't. So if there's a possiblity of getting cheap fuel from exploiting the poorer countries, we will. Lots of folk care. Folk on the street and folk working on policy. It's maybe just that because they are working exhaustively to change things that their time for ranting on the internet like confused and angry teenagers is a bit limited.
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Woozle... I don't like your online persona, the way you conduct yourself on this forum, your opinions, your goofy avatar... in fact I f*cking hate you! However, on a lighter note, I do agree with your last post. 
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 No problem. Nice to know that somebody sometimes (rarely) actually does agree with something I say.
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 more like the disgusting practices of the consumer. had a new phone or pooter or tv lately? what happened to your old one. it's so easy to blame the corporations because they are an easy soft target. so just what do these nasty, evil empires do that is so much worse than what consumers do. corporations only exist to be evil. how much food do the merkins not now grow because of biofuel. sorry, perhaps i should say food surplus. by the way how feckin dare you say that i don't care.
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I finally think I understand why I find your posts so headscratchy Parky - you don't read and digest the posts of others. You just latch onto one bit of trivia used to convey a point and that's where it ends with you. You totally miss the point and just ask irrelevant questions.
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"We're shipping our rubbish and toxic waste all over the world, paying for it of course, and the governments of the poorer countries are lapping it up and to hell with their own people. I can't see why, if it's profitable for us, we'd even think about questioning the morality of it (we never have so far). Just look at the disgusting practices of the a whole basketful of our most well known and well loved multinationals (read governments) like nestlè and coca cola, proctor and gamble, monsanto and the like to see just how much nobody cares. " i don't think i've missed the point at all woozle ar your posts contain far too much trivia. why is this rubbish being exported? consumers generating it. what disgusting practices of the multinationals - yet another wide sweeping right on bash the corporations generalisation. and what the merkins are doing to grow biofuel should be a concern for everyone.
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Parky's right. We want Stuff, and we want more of it, and we want our Stuff to be as cheap as possible and we want all our cheap Stuff right now. When we get our Stuff and it's been produced in the only way possible, given our demands, we can't really blame our Stuff Suppliers when we realise that all the Stuff we get is tainted. Demand less Stuff, Save the World 
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what's a merkin? I only have pubic wig as a definition.
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merkins live in a merka.they had an exceptionally talented prizedint georgie boy who waas very proud to be a merkin.
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 Demand less Stuff, Save the World
Dammit - I was going to demand a bespoke tent inner for my Allak. But you're right, I'll make do. 
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Ah, but bespoke inners from Cumbriashire don't involve forcing Orang Utans to drill for palm oil. Oook
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it would if you bought one from monsanto or nestle.
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