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Major Cynic
22/07/11 19:07
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Mal all I can say is he's done the business as far as I'm concerned. Although to be fair he has said that I responded extremely well to treatment. He's only used massage and Chinese cupping technique on me which is a form of deep tissue massage that is supposedly less invasive. The Chinese cupping technique was used on my back as there was and probably still is a lot of tension there which can throw back and hip alignment of of balance.

As I said after one treatment I felt more 'open' in the hips and felt I was walking taller and straighter. If I'm still walking without pain and without orthotics in six months time, possibly with one or two more treatments by then I'll be ecstatic. He's young and starting to branch out from the practice he trained in and only charges £30 for one hour. Of course everything he's told me could be a load of b******s.

My physio had resorted to passing and electric current through the muscle tissue and 4 weeks after treatment was over, the pain was back. The rigid orthotics had worked and I had no further recurrence for about 4 years from when I started wearing them.
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Womble
28/07/11 21:52
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I had to cancel Tuesday's appointment, but I went today (Thursday)

The pysio I saw looks after the Ruislip rugby club, after a quick look and a handful of questions,she looked at my boots and the heel cuops I have in them, she said I was doing all the right things so far, anyway she used a ultrasound machine and a deep massage, it did help (but I think the massage could have been longer, even though it was painfull, she said this was 'frictioning' which is pretty much what I have had my wife doing, but without the ultrasound machine (I have one of these machines, the same as she used)

But I have to go back on Monday to see an expert in 'bio mechanics' apparently my feet are going out when I stand, instead of supporting my wight upright, I think that those orthotic things are going to be used, they are going to be 'off the shelf' but I think he maybe doing the same sort of thing others had here done

I think this is going to work out expensive getting these orthotic things

I have told the pysio about my wife doing the frictioning and she said she would be willing to watch and see if she is doing it correctly, meanwhile I'm going to give things a try with this ultrasound machine (I'm surprised I never thought of it before, I used a TENS machine before on a pulled thigh muscle, it worked after 4 weeks, I had no further pain)

 Well that is about it so far, I'll update as it progresses

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PGJ
28/07/11 22:21
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Hello Womble,

Glad to hear you are making progress. The frictioning is no fun but does the job and it sure helps a quicker recovery.

(If I get the start of a problem in that area now I always try to nip it in the bud by gong to a sports masseur and usually 1 or 2 sessions sorts it out before it develops into a bigger problem). Hope I'm not tempting fate here!!!

I've used orthodics for about the last 20 years or so (for knee problems) - got them for running but told to keep them in day shoes as well.

My podiatrist has them custom made to a prescription she does - I think the cost does vary from place to place but mine are about £70.00 and last about a year to 18 months usually. You may have a consultation fee as well at first.

Off the shelf orthodics should be cheaper than individually made I would think.

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Womble
29/07/11 12:41
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Everything seems to have siezed up this morning, I could hardly get down the stairs, I dont know if it was the frictiong or the untrasound machine, but God did my ankles hurt

 The PT was ex RAF, used to work a Headley Court

 I went on a PT (physio therapist) website last night and asked a few questions (bit disappointed I never got more replies though)

 They said, nope my PT wasnt ripping me off, that ultrasound is good, along with this 'frictioning' thing

I gave them pretty much all my details (like I did in here) when it started, how it feels and what I have done about it, so its a case of waiting and see if I get any more replies on that PT website

My mates wife is (or used to be) a sports massuer, I might drop over there and she can show the wife how to do this frictioning thing, it worked when I had 'tennis elbow' (even though I have never played tennis)

So I'm sitting here with ice packs on and my feet up  and this problem is really getting to me now, cant walk, cant run, cant even get to the gym

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huskyman
29/07/11 19:01
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Womble,

 Don't overdo the "frictioning thing", I asked my Phyiso about doing this at home. I was told it was a bad idea, as doesn't give muscles, tendons, etc.  time to heal. Once a week is enough.

 I've had Ultrasound before, it does work. It helps to break up the 'scar' tissue that occurs after an injury.

 You could also ask about Laser Treament, same sort of thing as U/S but 'more focused', so can be 'pinpointed' where needed. thant is one of the things my Phyiso is doing to help my Knee recover. MPOO, but I think it has helped quite a bit in my recovery. Just hope when consultant does CAT scan, she thinks so too and doesn't need to do an Op.

 Paul.

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Womble
05/08/11 16:26
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My Physio has told me 3 times a day, if possible (sems to be working as well,) and carry on with stretching

I get the wife to do it in the evening, for about 15 minutes each ankle, then stretching for 5 minutes, each ankle

 Havent used the ultra sound on it again, though

I had the calfs done today, that was a whole new lot of pain, but they didnt seem as tight as before

Went out for a bit of exercise, no weight, just a walk, felt good, little tight, but stretches and ice packs worked wonders

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Major Cynic
05/08/11 17:07
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You could try using a compression base layer overnight. I believe Accapi make some that just cover or protect joints such as ankles. They're not cheap but do seem to help with recovery.

Try here for starters

www.outdoorgb.com/c/Accapi_BodyGuard_Sport_Supports



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Womble
05/08/11 19:26
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Major Cynic

I did ask about using anything over night, he said it wasnt needed

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huskyman
05/08/11 20:11
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Most doctors, Physios, don't want people wearing any 'compression' type things overnight, unless really necessary.

 They can diminish blood flow to part of body they are used on, think of 'flight socks' that's why they work to try and stop DVT.

 If you have an injury to some part of body, you need/want as much blood flow as possible over night. Sleeping is when the body repairs its self most.

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Womble
05/08/11 20:17
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That is where  this 'frictioning' comes in, it hurts like hell when being done, but it increases the blood flow to the injured area, the stretching after helps pull the tendon while under tension

(so my PT told me)

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huskyman
05/08/11 20:30
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 I know how much the 'frictioning thing' hurts!! I've been having it done to my knee once a week since April and still need more!!!

 I've also got stretches to do and exercises to help 'stablise' knee, some of them can hurt as well.  But are helping, so I'll put up with the pain!!!

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Major Cynic
08/08/11 14:52
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I had a discussion at a shop on Saturday. This shop sells sports gear for people who do things like Iron Man Triathlons etc. We talked about compression underwear and he said the most benefit was gained by wearing it after the sports event but significabt benfit could be obtained in terms of muscle support during the event. He also went on to explain that where the compression is greatest, is crucial in obtaining the best results. It was quite an interesting chat.

As for wearing it overnight well yes that may not be best but my own experience has shown me that it can make the difference between crabbing sideway down the stairs first thing in the morning or walking straight down. In the first instance this is caused by very stiff thigh muscles.
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huskyman
08/08/11 20:23
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 A bit of 'massage' - NOT THAT SORT , can help to get rid of the lactic acid build up, then stretching to 'lossen' muscles can help.

 Sitting in a hotish bath can also help to get rid of lactic and warms mucles up before stretching them.

 Some pro. athletes are using 'ice baths' directly after exercise/races, how long for and what happens after, I don't know. I also think it would be hard to do at home! Need a hell of a lot of ice to fill a bath!!!

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Major Cynic
18/08/11 15:48
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Nou just pro athletes huskyman. The dancers in the RiverDance show jump straight into a tub of iced water after the show as it helps reduce the damage they do to their muscles and knees. Don't know the full whys and wherefores but actually saw them do it whilst the show was being filmed on and off stage. It's the dancers who are on for much of the performance who get this 'perk'!
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huskyman
18/08/11 20:30
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Had a look on line, re. Ice Baths, seems to be the same as applying an ice pack to an injured part of body, (say a turned ankle), it reduces swelling and pain.

 It helps, (so it says), reduce trauma and lets you recover quicker. So you can train harder, do repative exercise, etc.

 I would imagine dancing, a la, River Dance, Ballet, would be classed along those lines. They may be doing 2 or 3 shows a day, day after day.

 The same 'rules' are applied as for ice packs, ie, no longer than 10min. Though you can reapply an ice pack after awhile, you can't after an ice bath, risk of 'frost nip/bite.

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