.jpg) Walker found after sending a picture of surroundings to MRT. This person had the sense to phone the car park to say she'd be late back to get her car but apparently not the sense to take a map and compass or call MRT for herself. She'd have been in shtumm if it had got too dark to take a pic....
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 In schtuck, I think. Although she may have been so afraid of the dark that she schose to keep schtum... schtuck is even in MS Bookshelf Basics dictionary, so well and truly mainstream. But, oddly, not in urban dictionary; maybe it's too mainstream... shtook or schtook, shtuck or schtuck shtok, (slang)
noun trouble, bother.
in shtook, etc (slang) in trouble.
[Origin unknown]
(c) Larousse plc. All rights reserved These waklers, eh, going out unprepared... Not entirely sure why they didn't triangulate her phone signal; maybe only in sight of one base station.
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 how bizzare, hard to get lost along a marked path at the side of a lake but hey each to there own 
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Thanks CP, yes, schtuk not schtum. But then with waklers, who konws? 
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 did we mistake schtum for stum or shtum?
Stum is to keep quiet "as in keep stum about..." normally about about nefarious activities.
from yiddish I belive
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We? No, I! Having a bad English/spelling day today A bit like Bedouin and punctuation
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 No, BMcL, the OED has: Shtum Pronunciation:/?t?m/(also schtum) informal adjective - silent; non-communicative:he kept shtum about the fact that he was sent down for fraud
verb (shtums, shtumming, shtummed)[ no object] - be or become quiet and non-communicative:you start to say something and then just when it's getting interesting you shtum up
Origin: 1950s: Yiddish, from German stumm
Whereas stum
Pronunciation:/st?m/ noun[mass noun] verb (stums, stumming, stummed)[ with object] - 1 prevent or stop the fermentation of (wine) by fumigating a cask with burning sulphur.
- 2 renew the fermentation of (wine) by adding stum.
Origin: mid 17th century: from Dutch stom (noun), stommen (verb), from stom 'dumb' Just sayin'.
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Ahh but English is a living language hence I offered both spellings i was aware of including stum as stum is also used by many eg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2007/11/keep_stum.html Just saying Word play and banter what 'fun'
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how bizzare, hard to get lost along a marked path at the side of a lake but hey each to there own
I'd assumed she'd gone over place fell rather than following the lake shore - did she really get lost following the lakeside? 
oh, and er... wakler is a boys name, meaning thickener of cloth... bet she thickened some of her cloth when she realised she was lost.... http://www.birthvillage.com/Name/Wakler
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> 1950s: Yiddish, from German stumm And the schtum/schtumm/shtoom are attempts at transliterations from the Yiddish/German, where s often sounds as English sh or sch (Sturm, for instance, pron. shtoorm). Just as in English, German is also inconsistent, because the sh sound is sometimes explicit: schnell, for instance, and s is not always a sh: sofort (pron. zofort), for example... Language is a funny thing, isn't it...?
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"Ahh but English is a living language..." That old chestnut, the next to last resort of the philological wanton according to whose bible there are no such things as misspellings, merely variations in spelling. It's funny that in your hubris you should attempt to correct someone and then try and evade the embarrassment that comes with the discovery that your correction is, in fact, in error, by employing such a plausible device. As for your link, what's your point? That Brian Taylor got it wrong, too? Many well educated people will speak of a slither to convey the meaning "a splinter" or "a small slice" when it is completely incorrect and people have written complainingly on these forums of chaffing when they meant chafing. That so many may misuse words or wrongly spell them doesn't somehow endow such misuse and misspelling with legitimacy. Notwithstanding its etymology, shtum is a completely different word from stum and they have totally unconnected meanings. By the way, blether is a Scottish version of the English blither or blather. You put your faith in the Scottish as paragons of spoken and written English if you must but remember, they can't even accept that "Scotch" is a valid English word to describe them and all things that have their provenance in Scotland.
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Mal I am embarrassed and I ran out of hubris a long time ago. Also I used 'we' as I was not attempting to score points of anyone. Jeez your an ar5e!
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/iphone/#define?term=shtum
Makes it clear stumm was german spelling and stum is used in English and the spelling is ambiguous
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