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"Distance: 11.3 Miles (18.3 Km)- Height Gain: 11.3 Miles (18.3 Km)"

I'm impressed... And a little scared! A one-in-one ascent sounds pretty difficult, and I didn't know we had anything that high in this country (or on this planet)!

;o)

Oh I forgot to mention .........this is a front pointing route ;-)

I think you noticed our esteemed editor's mis-paste about the same time as me Mark, sorted now though:)

Yeah, it was my fault. We're still using imperial measurements round here and sometimes they get confused ;-)

You don't work for NASA do you?
:-p

Where is Braod Crag? I've been looking very hard on my map and can't find it anywhere?

you need to look on a Trail version of the map Bob :-)

or a Trial version?

What's this Moasdale, Mosedale thing? Is it a spelling mistake or is someone being pedantic about correct spellings, its Mosedale Beck and Moasdale on the map??? :)

Phil,
loking at the 1:25,000 map it's called Moasdale and Moasdale Beck, and the same spelling on the signpost at the start of the route. Obviously I have to spell it in accordance with the OS, and assume it's spelt correctly by them. Also spelling it correctly helps avoid confusion with the other more well known "Mosedale" in the same area (the other side of the Scafell range and Wasdale).

I apologise if it appears I'm being pedantic about spelling, but I'm sure you'll appreciate that when publications spell locations incorrectly they cause confusion and of course the odd complaint :)

Whatever the spelling, it'd be nice to hear what people think of the route :)

Sorry I've been away and read this reply a little late.
I was going to have a go at you about pedantry but then read the map and changed my mind:)
(It seemed a little unfair bearing in mind you are in fact correct)

However, I am looking at the OS 1:25 000 (1998) and its definately Mosedale with Moasdale Beck.

definitely!

I think it's an OS cock-up Phil :) Sure enough my 1998 copy has the same spelling as yours (no surprise there), but the 2003 version has it spelt as in my route description. Unforunately I don't have a third, earlier, version to work out which is wrong (98 or 03), but as mentioned, the signpost spells it Moasdale :)

Broad Crag is half way between Scafell Pike and Great End (NNW of Ill Crag).

Are the OS the definitive reference when it comes to spelling?? The OS spell Bowfell as two separate words, which is wrong IMO ;-)

Michael,
Spelling is always a problem for journalists ;-)

Seriously though, I try and work on the assumption that the OS is always right unless it directly contradicts signposts on the ground, or local custom where a different spelling is widely acknowledged and in more common useage than that used by the OS. For example, in this case although the 1998 version of the OS 1:25,000 map spells it as Mosedale the signposts refer to it as Moasdale, which also conforms with the spelling as used locally over a long period.

broad crag is defo on the os map

I posted this previously under the "starting out" sub section: I pasted in here too

Would this route be a suitable answer to my question, see below

I have not backpacked since scouting days and that was few years ago (OK about 30 years ago if you really want the details)

We have camped though regularly, thats my 2 kids (17, 14), eldest daughter and boyfriend and me regularly for a few years, but in valleys. Walking has been strictly a 4-5 hour day hike, with a flask of tea and a coupkle of odds and ends.

Now we want to 'push the boat out' a little with a one night wild camp, on or about Scarfel Pike

Any suggestions for a good route. We'll have 2 cars so are not restricted to returning to the starting off place

Thanks in advance.

I'd be careful on this one is there is 11.3 miles of ascent. That's a lot of height gain. If you make it that high, look for Braod Crag.

My local pub is signed the Busfeild Arms, I always assumed the sign writer had been in the pub before putting up the sign. However, a few years ago I noticed a local street called Busfeild St. So I guessed it was a correct spelling and maybe old English, Norse or maybe that same pissed up sign writer again.

I got to thinking that it would only take a simple mistake or an intentional change by a sign writer or the next owner or landlord or someone in a Whitbread office somewhere in London, to just change a name that had stood for 100's of years, whether it be old English or a silly spelling mistake by someone previously.

So only a historian or language specialist would know whether Braod Crag or Moesdale is Trad. English, Norse etc. or a spelling mistake.

I shall now continue picking fluff from my naval.