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Wallace
27/07/05 19:14
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Waterproof softshell my *ss!

That's an insulated hardshell in my book!
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Evil Darren
27/07/05 21:05
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New M.E. kit YAY!!!!!


Where's my free samples then?
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Cara-Lyn: Stealth Sloth
27/07/05 21:27
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I think I might need the Moomin-like woolly (sorry, Primalofty) trousers for cold winters :)
Or maybe I need to book a high altitude trip first?!
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Jez
27/07/05 22:02
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Calm down ED...

BTW - how are you?
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Jon Doran
27/07/05 22:06
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Naaa, it's a taped softshell. It ought to be slightly more breathable than a waterproof, say, XCR membrane because the hydrophilic PU layer isn't used with Windstopper. That means you'll have to clean it more, but, hey, what is softshell anyway???
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Evil Darren
28/07/05 04:07
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Pretty good thanks Jez. busier that an busy thing and barely been out this summer, but trying to so some soon, plus off on a walking holiday in the US in September.
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Jan Crane
28/07/05 09:30
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Did anyone else notice that in all the photos the sleeves of all but one of the jackets were too long for the bloke wearing them?
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Jon Doran
28/07/05 16:26
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I think maybe Mark has shortish arms, but ME sleeves are quite generous...
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Wallace
28/07/05 17:43
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I don't like all these new jackets that seem to hug your body!

If you're on the large side or have a beer belly, then they just make you look stouter or show up that beer belly!

If you're tall and lean like me, then they make you look even taller and skinnier!
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gearboy
28/07/05 18:06
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what is softshell anyway???

well can of worms that innit!

from what i heard, arcteryx started it as a word to call their insulation/midlayer, i.e instead of base/mid and outer, it became base, soft and hard shell,
most people atribute the first soft shell product to hamish and buffalo clothing,
but what about that tweed jkt used on everest????

p.s personally i reckon these taped softshells will breathe less effectively than xcr, plus you wont be able to control your temperature so easily, but reckon it will make a cool looking ski jkt!
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gearboy
28/07/05 18:07
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p.s. the insulated hardshell would be the super couloir:-)
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Jon Doran
28/07/05 22:38
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I reckon they'll breathe better than XCR as there's no PU layer on the membrane as far as I can tell, but that the advantage will be offset by the extra insulation :-)

They feel nice anyway, sort of soft but substantial with it. The ones I'm aware of at the moment are from Berghaus and ME, but I'm sure there are a few others too. Of course MHW got in there first with the taped Conduit softshell they've had for ages now.

I suspect they'll work best in cold alpine conditions where the breathability is maximised and the added insulation isn't an issue, erm, unless you run hot of course.

My face winter softshell anyway, is the original Patagonia Stretch Speed Ascent Jacket, which is kind of a more refined pile/Pertex style thing using Regulator 2 fleece and Patagonia's silicone impregnrated Encapsil stuff.
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