 Ok, so its a really good sack. But surely £70 for a 25ltr daysack is a bit pricey. Please don't start going blase about the price of kit like they do in the mountain bike world! £70 quid is a lot of money!
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Hi Adam,
I fully agree that £70 isn't cheap for a 25 litre daypack, but it doesn't mean it represents poor value.
If any product (outdoor or any other) is well thought out, offers unique features and innovation and will fit & perform better, and last longer then I think for some users the extra cost is worth it.
Naturally, if you are paying £20-£30 extra for a logo then that isn't good value, as a logo won't do any of the above. The Atmos packs do cost more to make than other daypacks of a comparible size, thus they are more expensive as a result.
I have read with interest some OM user reviews of a 35+8 daypack which retails at £60 and it scores quite low on the value front. I don't think there is a direct relationship to litre size, price and value.
As to Mountain Bike gear I also agree with you, the money you can spend on a bike (or even on small bits of a bike) is pretty crazy. Which makes our Atmos 25 look cheap. I guess that everything is relative?
Cheers
Rob
Osprey
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 Hi Adam, fair comment. I tend to assume that people make their own decisions on what's an acceptable price though which is why I didn't mention it specifically, though I have added a brief note now.
If you look at the Atmos test it scores four for value despite being relatively expensive and that's because it does what it does very well indeed. I realise it's a murky area, but it's a very good pack, so my take on it is that you get what you pay for. If it was 20 quid cheaper, it would have scored five for value.
Obviously it's a subjective judgement and a balance between the price and performance. The Alpkit sleeping bag we tested recently got a five for value even though it doesn't perform quite as well as the top brands out there because it gives an outstanding compromise between price and quality.
We're not about to become blase about price, but equally it's relative to performance, which is what the value rating is all about.
Hope that makes some sense and thanks for the feedback :-)
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 Hi Rob
I've been asking the forum members if they could recommend a comfortable women's 25L rucksack and all the replies seem to recommend the Osprey Atmos. I hope you can answer a few questions about it?
1. I notice that they come in different sizes (small, medium and large). I'm only 5ft tall - which size should I go for?
2. Does it have pole holders?
3. Is it suitable for women?
I know it seems expensive but I would be prepared to spend the extra money to get something that feels light and comfortable to wear and the reviewer seemed to think it was very good.
Hope you can help?
Thanks, Guffy
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Hi Guffy
Here are the answers to your questions:
1. You should buy a small.
2. The stretch pockets on the side are perfect for trekking poles. The quick release buckles at the top of the pack hold the poles in place nicely.
3. The small is really designed with women in mind, each Atmos size has a different harness and hipbelt size as well as a different torso length. So on the small you are not only getting a small back length.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Rob
Osprey
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Hi Rob
Thank you for the answers to my questions about the Atmos 25. I've just thought of another couple of questions that hopefully you can help me with?
1. Are the side pockets suitable for holding a water bottle?
2. I'd like to try the Atmos 25 before I buy. Do you know which stores stock it in the UK? I live on the south coast near Bournemouth, Dorset but would be prepared to look in shops in London.
Many thanks for your help, Guffy.
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Hi Guffy
1. You can hold a water bottle in the side pockets no problem. Personally, I'd prefer to use a hydration bladder (the Atmos has a sleeve inside) and you can even hang a bladder inside the air cavity if really pushed for space.
2. I agree that trying a pack on before buying (whatever the brand) is always the best situation. As you live locally why don't you try the pack on here as our UK office is at Bournemouth Airport. If you are coming over please phone first, our number is 01202-572775.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Rob
Osprey
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 Rob, once again I'm very impressed by the level of customer service you offer. The Osprey packs may cost more than a lot of others but if your help on this forum is indicative of the level of customer supprot from Osprey generally they're worth it.
When I was buying an Atmos 35 your help was much appreciated and I have been very happy with the pack.
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Hi Rob
Thank you for all the help answering my questions. I can't believe you are so close at Bournemouth Airport! Thank you for the offer to try on a pack. When I get some time off work I'll definitely call to arrange a visit to try on the pack.
Many thanks for all your help, Guffy.
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Good points. Good to see the people from Osprey making an appearance on the forum.
Me and my girlfriend are off to the dolomites next year, so maybe I should look at the atmos for her. Then I won't have to carry both our gear in one pack!
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 My first outing with the Atmos 35L made me realise that paying £90 was a good investment.
The pack was very comfortable and stable. Lots of carrying options for poles, water etc.
Only drawback was the bottom of the pack pooled water, but we were in constant rain I didn't use a rain cover.
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 I recently had the decision between the (I believe abovementioned) Berghaus 35+8 freeflow pack and the Atmos 35. I'd tried them both many times at work and eventually plumped for the Berghaus, purely on price as the pack was really for my dad to use once i've finished with it this summer. So far the berghaus is a little dissappointing, it's just not stable enough as it sits too far away from my back. Sufficed to say, I'll be getting an Atmos sometime in the near future if I can see myself buying another smaller pack...
In the meantime, I've just bought the Osprey Flux for college and unintentionally used it on Cadair Idris and Crib Goch and the Snowdon horseshoe last week. It faired very well, im already in love with it.
Oh, and I'll be getting the Cresent 70 when my next substantial pay packet comes in... definitely.
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Hi
I hope Rob from Osprey is still on the Forum to answer another of my questions?!
I tried on the Atmos 35 in Cotwold Outdoor in Bournemouth on Saturday and thought it was really comfortable! Unfortunately they don't seem to sell the Atmos 25!
I'm hopefully going to pop into your Bournemouth office (when I can get a day off work) to try on the Atmos 25. What I was wondering is, if I decide I wanted to go ahead and buy the Atmos 25 would I be able to buy it from you direct? I've been looking at various sites that sell the Atmos 25 but alot of them sell them only in Red. I would prefer the grey colour. Also they don't seem to have the different sizes available. Which is why I was hoping it might be easier to buy from you direct after I've tried it on??
Thanks, Guffy.
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Hi Guffy
Glad you liked the Atmos 35. If you are able to visit the office to try out the Atmos 25 that would be fine, Cotswold in Bournemouth will happily order you an Atmos 25 in Grey for you if it suits your needs (as we don't sell our packs directly from here).
Thanks again for your interest.
Rob
Osprey
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Hi Rob,
I didn't realise Cotswold would order one in for me. Thanks for the info.
Guffy
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 I bought an Atmos 25 yesterday at George Fishers in Keswick. I tried seceral packs on including the Berghaus 35+8 freeflow that someone else mentioned. The Berghaus felt like it was too far away from back and just didn't feel as stable.
The assistant filled the Atmos and it really did feel like you were carrying half of what was actually in the bag. I still find it hard to believe that it is only a 25 as it takes as much as my previous bag which was classed as a 30 litre.
I did a short 5 mile walk after buying and it felt very comfortable and look forward to seeing how it feels after 15+ miles.
So far one very happy customer :-)
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 I was in Fisher's in Keswick on Friday and again today, Steven, looking at the Atmos 25 :) I already have the 50L and 35L, though, so getting a third one felt a little too self-indulgent!
I used my 35L y/day, and once again I was impressed by the way in which I'm generally completely unaware of the weight I'm carrying when I get the Atmos on my back. It's just the same with the 50L. Mine's going to France with me shortly, for 2 weeks' backpacking :)
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 I purchased an Atmos 25 last October & have been very pleased with it.So much so that the 2 small hydration packs which I own have not been used since then.I take a large backsize & there's plenty of room in it even for winter gear.
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 I already have the Berghaus alternative (sorry Rob!), so I can't really justify an Atmos, but I am rather tempted to try the new Aether once I can find somewhere that has one I can try on.
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I have just returned from 5 days in the pyrenees with an atmos 50 and can wholeheartedly vouch for the comfort and quality of these packs. my wife has a Berghaus 35+8 and really likes it, but I have worn it a couple of times and find it a bit uncomfortable.
Steve
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