Is it really necessary to erect a tent in two stages - first the fly and then the inner? For the past year I have have kept the inner and flysheet of my Laser Competition and Robert Saunders Jetpacker permanently attached. When I strike the tent, I pull out the pegs and remove the poles then loosely fold the tent and place it in a supermarket bag (I've never understood why tent manufacturers expect you to stuff your tent into a bag that is usually too small to accommodate a wet tent).
I've gone one stage further and permanently attached plastic pegs by drilling holes in them and connecting them to the tent with short lengths of shockcord. Provided that the tent is folded carefully, there is no risk of plastic pegs, unlike metal pegs, damaging the tent fabric.
I find that his method, which may not be suitable for all tents and adverse weather conditions, greatly speeds up both the pitching and striking of these tents.
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 The Macpac Minaret is designed to pitch like this, as are several other tents and it does work really well. I use different pegs in different ground conditions though, so I think the peg attachment thing is maybe a step too far for me 
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 Hilleberg started out with simultaneous inner/outer pitching as their Big New Idea... in 1973. All their tents offer simultaneous pitching as a standard design feature, and it's increasingly common in other ranges. In fact I thought the Laser Comp was meant to go up in one (but give you the option of fly-only)? Pete.
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I have a macpac olympus that you put up in one. So when I got the Lightwave T0 GT - secondhand without instructions - I automatically put it up as one. However I think that it is meant to be done separately??? I don't understand why though, it worked perfectly well keeping inner and outer connected via the velcro loops and putting them up together. Sophia
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Hello Hugh, Welcome back, I haven't seen a thread/response from you for a long time.
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 I have put my tent up (Mountain Hardware Skyledge 2) like that a few tiems when its raining. However the inner and outer do not attatch, so it involeved pegging the inner out, +clipping the outer to the corners then putting the poles in, folding them upwards and then attatching the clips. Putting it up like that did work, but it took a while and I would only ever do it that way if it was raining a lot as it is easyer putting it up one sheet at a time.
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 I may be missing something here, but why would you want to permanently attach two tents to each other? My Laserlite inner and fly are always attached apart from the carbon rods. It is indeed a very quick pitching tent. A morale saver in times of cold hands and dripping nose.
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 ptc* - very subtle!! I wonder how many will get it 
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 Well, I certainly didn't... 
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I am applying the same criteria to Hugh Westacotts original post as he does to all of ours. As he says elsewhere: "Outdoor Magic posters seem to contain an extraordinary high percentage of dyslexics and illiterates".
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Brianetta: it's because of the sloppy wording of my post. i wrote:
'...I have have kept the inner and flysheet of my Laser Competition and Robert Saunders Jetpacker permanently attached...'
I should have written:
'...I have have kept the inner and flysheet of my Laser Competition permanently attached and have done the same to my Robert Saunders Jetpacker...'
It is clear that I hve been teaching my grandparents to suck eggs! I'm not a gear freak and was blissfully unaware that any tents had been designed to be erected with the fly and inner attached. Thanks to everyone for the information.
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ptc: My surname contains only one 's'.
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Well my Vango Equinox is designed to erect 'as one' and since I first assembled it, I have never separated the inner from the outer to put it away. p.s. his name is spelt ptc*
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You're right there Bess. Unfortunately, the apostrophe intended for use in of the name in question was caught by the wind just before it hit the page and I was unable to catch it.
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 I like to do it the old way.
Outer first; if it's raining, a quick ciggy inside to get my breath back, and then sort the inner and the rest of the gear out.
I tried a Quechua Forclaz 50l Ultralight pack last week. Very uncomfortable, but with the weight saving over my usual Macpac I was able to fit in 3 extra cans of Stella so it was well worth the discomfort.
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 Combined pitching. Ace! That's exactly why I am still soooo in lurve with my Phreeranger after all these years. Who cares if the groundsheet leaks!
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 The best tent I've seen for being picthed together is the Vaude hogan, witht the flysheet and inner attached you peg it out and the just wrap the shockcord around the one single pole, so quick and easy, cetainley stops the inside of the tent getting wet when its bucketting down!!!
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 "Outdoor Magic posters seem to contain an extraordinary high percentage of dyslexics and illiterates". I feel that if we're going to point out inconsistencies in the work of others, we must be subject to peer review ourselves... The above quote should read: "Outdoor Magic posters (sic) seem to contain (sic) an extraordinary (sic) high percentage of dyslexics and illiterates" Evidently, Hugh. May I replace your somewhat unfortunate wording with a more judicious (and legible) selection? Perhaps we could use:
"Of people posting on Outdoorsmagic fora, an extraordinarily high percentage seem to be either dyslexic, illiterate, or both." We know what you mean when you say 'posters', in the way that we can understand a child who uses words such as 'thunk', or 'brung'. Nevertheless this word is not correctly employed to describe someone who posts. Further, these individuals should not be said to contain anything themselves, since a primary descriptor of a human being is neither 'vessel', 'container' nor 'receptacle'. Your use of the word extraordinary in this context is intellectually dubious and grammatically incorrect. And finally, may I say I find your labelling of other forum users as dyslexic or illiterate, both morally repugnant and highly ironic. Ta.
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Oh, BTW, does anyone know if the Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1 will pitch simultaneously?
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I'm 'statemented' (horrible label to have hung on you) as dyslexic, sometimes I can spend an hour getting a post to read in a way that can be understood. I am not able to resite (or spell) the alpherbet properly, months of the year are sketchy, days of the week are OK, I could go on. Throughout life I have done resonably well for myself and I'm happy to say that I no longer need to 'work' for a living. At school I was always told I was stupid, even then I thought it was not an accurate statement. Now I know it was not an accurate statement.
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