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hi firts pair off targhhe lows,glue gave up ,free replacment with targhee mids both fantastic fit,for me,very good grip but they stink and sfter 7 mths stated to leak.but they are fantastic to walk in backpack in and all this winter in.do i buy another pair and hope there better?????cant return these as they were replacments??give up argueing now   what else is any one wearing..must be light and good for backpacking aswell  thanks in advance off any info ideas  peter
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  It actually really does sound as if you have been indeed 'backpacking/walking in all the winter/at least 7 months', giving your product purchased a good bit of hard wear, such that you may well not now qualify for a replacement in that case! Still, Peter, try writing or emailing in a little more detail, than the above, outlining just what you feel is the fault with the items. Then see what the manufacturer has to say back to you.

All manufacturers need opinion and value greatly some feedback-critical or otherwise, as long as it is heartfelt and truely constructive! It definitely will be the manufacturers or regional importers that you should take this up with now, rather than your retailers where you first bought the item. But too, do inform them of your problem as well to bring that retailer up to speed upon the situation; and ask them for the best place exactly to write to now. After such a long period of ownership and long use of a product, I do not really feel, and too strongly suggest, that it is not the responsibility anymore now to replace on the part of the retailer itself! Whereas it may still be possible thru the manufacturers, to get said replacement or refund, according to your retail consumer rights, if you can prove to them how the product failed you; or at the very least fell below your rightfully expected due level of accepted performance.

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As for what everyone is wearing, just get yourself online to a few retailers and backpacking sites to read a few reviews etc, and to see what is about. Then come back on the forums of a few sites to see what the thoughts then are upon some of the kit that you have SEEN and LIKED yourself! Try to also get out to a few close retail outlet stores to ask opinion of the staff too-it all helps one to build up a picture of the choices available to suit your particular wants-in criterias of outdoors activities usage-and the such like! Happy hunting! Let us all know here how you get on with the problem though, and what eventually you decide upon getting kit replacement-wise there, ok!
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I'm in a similar boat Peter, looking for the 'perfect' boot. Not to heavy, not to stiff but giving enough protection.

The Salomon Elios Mids are very nice, lighter than the Targhee IIs, more akin to a trail shoe than a conventional boot. Take a look at the Asolo Fugitive and Flame boots. I'd class them as a lightweight conventional boot...

Finally (for now) The North Face have been really developing their trail/approach shoe/mid range so you may find something of interest there eg. Hedgehog XCR Mid....

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I like Montrails, they fit my feet really well.

I have used Hardrocks (GR20/GR5) and found them to be excellent. The GTX Montrails I tried leaked for me or were overwhelmed by very boggy conditions so I moved to Highlanders and Sealskinz for wet walks.

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There is an xcr Mid version of the Montrail CTC, but I gather it's pretty hard to track down... ?
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Wildtrak (my local) carry them Matt; I used the low versions on walks in Mallorca over the last few years and they are very good - pretty dire on wet grass and mud though (as you might expect)....
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I've got a bargain pair of the low non-xcr ones Ed - nice for rocky stuff
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I find the TNF Pinyon XCR suits me for backpacking, being light but with a good grippy and supportive Vibram sole unit. It gives a little ankle protection and, more important, keeps mud, stones and other debris out better than lower cut shoes.
The downside is there's no way a pair will last as long as traditional brown leather boots — but then it would be amazing if they did, given their light weight.
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I am also looking for similar lightweight boots to those above.  However nearly all those above have a waterproof membrane(Goretex/Event) which I don't want. For the Pyrenees  I am quite happy to get my feet wet , normally due to dew, but they soon dry. Any recommendations for non lined trail  shoes/boots ?

ps. After 30+ years of fabric boots, the first I recall being the Karimor KSB ,   have the manufacturers at last realised they are not waterproof and they need the extra lining ?

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The Montrails I mentioned, Hardrocks, Highlanders are liner-free...
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hi ahve decided to put up with them not lasting that long and have ordred another pair .may stick to my leather boots for winter this year.there is a keen voyager LOOKS to be same as targhee but with no liner and mesh panels many thanks for all info peter
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Scarpa have got a range of  cross-terrain shoes in most combinations of low/mid, lined/unlined, walking/scrambling, male/female fit.

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