 Tryfan is to be remeasured, to see whether it really is a 3000er. Who cares? It's a fantastic mountain. I hope, if it turns out to be 2,999'11", people won't stop climbing it for want of an inch.
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 No problem if it is, take up a small rock and a bucket of mortar, Job's a good un.
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 I wonder if they measure to the top of Adam and Eve? I suppose they would.
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 I would like to agree with you Kate, but lads on this page will know only too well the importance of the odd inch or two 
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 I hope they will stop climbing it
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.jpg) Hopefully it will turn out to be less than 3000' as it would make my Welsh 3000's attempt next year a little easier. Perhaps they could also knock a few feet off Crib Goch whilst they are at it too - please. 
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All we need is for Sea Level to rise - then every peak becomes lower . There was an interseting discussion some time ago on OM concerning different Geoid definitions which will also be relevant.
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All we need is for Sea Level to rise - then every peak becomes lower. There was an interseting discussion some time ago on OM concerning different Geoid definitions which will also be relevant. <Turns central heating up>
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 Well its not like Crib Goch is really a seperate hill is it? I think it'd be funnier if Aran Fawddwy found an extra few metres from somewhere (not that it will). That'd really make it tough!
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Even better would be to make the time limit for the 3000ers 2-3 days so you can really enjoy yourself on them instead of rushing over a nice set of hills. I mean why rush? Don't they like the hills they are dashing over in 12 hours? TRy experiencing the hills, taking time to appreciate the view. Eat your butties looking out over the skyline instead of sucking on a gel pack on the easy stretches. Of course I do intend to be one of those speed freaks in the next few years. After my first 100 in 2012 that is. BTW There are some very classy hills that don't make the heights of a munro or a welsh 3000er or don't make the arbitrary list that is known as the Wainwrights. All I can say thank F**k for that as it allows me to do some truly nice hills while the numpties are bagging the lists of hills between 2000 and 2999ft or whatever stupid list is in their range. Is it the cobbler (Beinn Arthur) that isn't a munro but is a classic. Isn't Goat Fell and the accompanying ridges not a munro yet decidedly tasty. I doubt very much that a cracker like Tryfan will be climbed less by not making the holy grail of 3000ft. People will still want to jump the adam and ever or get photographed on the cantelever stone. I do question why they want to re-measure it anyway. Leave the damm thing alone. All that effort and expense just to prove some guy got the height minisculely wrong. I mean as someone said if you measure it and someone takes up a rock and piles it on the top they'll then have to re-measure again. Then someone knockjs it down again. What your gonna do? Measure them again.
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 TTG...I agree with your sentiments. I guess it's just the difference between the peeps that like the fitness/achievement component of summit (or mutiple summit bagging) and the peeps who climb/walk for other (or a mixture of other) reasons. It takes allsorts to make the world interesting. I am however with you: We did a 9mile horseshoe around cwm penamnen taking in three summits last weekend: y ro wen, foel fras and moel penamnen, all under 650 metres but, with the weather we had, i wouldn't have swapped it for a single higher peak (and possibly a shorter walk) for the world. As far as tryfan's concerned..let them get on with it...who cares?
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Benco...you up for it mate...?? ...i'll carry the stone......!
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I can see the Garth from our building at work (though not from my office - my view is of the library)
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Perhaps a midnight raid to nick the trig point from a non-descript peak then place it on top of Tryfan if it does drop 2ft. I need an excuse to get a balaclava and theft of a trig point to make a hill a mountain sounds a good enough reason to me.
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another solution is to get MK to distract them while the GPS measurement takes place while the others lift the unit as high as they can thus making the mountain appear highere than it is. I'm sure Kate could distract them. The plan is faultless IMHO.
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Of course if it does drop below 3000ft then that means I'll have to do it again as it becomes a different hill category to be ticked! Hillbaggers beware, if it drops to less than 3000ft you have effectively a new hill to tick off.
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Do hillbaggers have to do each hill separately in each category? So if you were doing the Welsh 3000ers, you'd have to do Tryfan (provided it still is 3000'), and then if you were doing all the mountains in the UK starting with T, you'd have to do it again, or does one ascent count for all categories? I could probably distract the surveyors with my scale-model Roman catapult, ttg, or my Playmobil siege tower.
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 life sized scale?
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No, it's only little. It fires the plastic containers you find inside Kinder Surprise Eggs, but it can shoot them a long way if they're weighted down with some pennies.
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