Batteries

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12/07/2004 at 13:01
Any battery people out there? I have a torch which needs 4 AA batteries and has a halogen bulb. I want long burn rechargeable batteries that will work in all conditions. As far I as know NiCd’s have a problem at low temperature, anybody else got any good pointers?

Ta

Nick
12/07/2004 at 14:48
NiMH rechargeables last much longer than NiCd ones, but I believe they also have problems at very cold temperatures.

Bill
12/07/2004 at 15:05
you'll need something in the Lithium-Ion (li-ion) for cold use. Not sure if they are available in AA yet. I seem to recall the Petzl website having a section on battery performance in the cold.
12/07/2004 at 15:11
Lithium's the way to go, but even better would be a combination of those with a high powered LED bulb. Alternatively a head torch with a remote battery pack that you can secrete somewhere warm inside your clothing.

Sorry, I know, I just suggested that you buy a different torch :-(

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

12/07/2004 at 15:15
Check out this thread..

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/forum/forummessages/mps/utn/3516/dt/2/srchdte/0/v/4/sp/328815336338364517358
12/07/2004 at 16:10
Jon,
Fortunately my torch is a head torch and I'm sure a few modifications could be made to move the battery pack!! I've never found an LED torch that has the penetration that I can get with a halogen.
12/07/2004 at 18:01
I seem to remember a recent article in Trail about Lithium batteries available in popular sizes eg AA but haven't found any yet for my headtorch from Argos. Anyone seen them out there?
12/07/2004 at 18:04
Energiser do a Lithium AA. I've seen them in Homebase, but at £7 a pair, are pretty pricey.
12/07/2004 at 18:08
That was quick! Cheers Darren I'll hava a look. They are supposed to last a lot longer than ordinary batteries and at £3-4 for Duracell could be worth at least 1 try.
12/07/2004 at 18:10
ahh, to be rich.... :p
12/07/2004 at 18:13
Nah :p for :plastic :) Does anyone know if Lithium's will leak at the end of their life like ordinary batteries?
12/07/2004 at 18:31
have a look in 7dayshop.com they sell energiser lithium much cheaper than the high st.
12/07/2004 at 19:13
Note that Lithiums have a higher cell voltage (nominally 3.6V) than dry or alkaline cells (1.5V). So if you just replace the alkalines with lithiums, get ready for the bulb to go 'pop' immediately...
12/07/2004 at 19:54
There are also Lithium Thionyl Chloride cells available too although I'm not sure of the cell voltage. I'll find out when I get into work tomorrow. 1.5v AA lithium cells are available. I'll report back with details.

John
12/07/2004 at 20:15
Try this site. It's a mine of information for all kinds of lights.

www.candlepowerforums.com


John.
13/07/2004 at 08:29
Lithium Iron Sulphide cells are available in AA size, they'r 30% lighter than Alkaline (15g / cell) and have a capacity of 2.5Ah compared to 2.7Ah for Duracell, however they have a much longer shelf life...probably no big deal for folks like us.
Lithium Thionyl Chloride AA cells are a no-no, the cell voltage is 3.5 - 3.65v.

None of the above are rechargeable.

I can't find any data on Lithium Ion, perhaps a search on Google may help.

The Nickel Cadmium and Nickel Metal Hydride cell voltage is 1.2v, these are rechargeable but have the problems already mentioned. I'm not sure of the availability of Cyclon rechargeables, but I suspect the cell voltage is 2v.

I've not found a source of any other rechargeables that will do the job.

Sorry I can't be more helpfull.

John
13/07/2004 at 10:35
You can get Lithium AA batteries that are 1.5v the same as normal AA batteries. Argos do 2 for £5.99. They last a long time in use(high capacity), they have a long shelf life, they are lighter than normal batteries, and are the least affected by low temperatures. But they are also the most expensive - by quite a bit. They are ideal as a set of emergency batteries, you can keep them in your pack for years and when you really need them they will be good.

But Nick wanted rechargeables. Nickel-Metal Hydride (Ni-MH) rechargeable batteries don't have the memory problems that Ni-Cad batteries have. You can buy them in capacities from 1300mAh output to 2300mAh, (that's milliamp hours) - the higher the better. The high capacity ones are designed for high draw appliances like digital cameras or halogen lamps, but they don't say this on them. They are less affected by the cold than normal, non-rechargeable Alkaline batteries, but not quite as good as Lithiums. They will work out a lot cheaper in the long run, although the initial outlay is large if you want high capacity batteries and a charger that will do the job quickly. But then once you have the charger you can use rechargeables for everything else too.

So I would say that Lithium batteries are not the way to go - except maybe for an emergency set. Ni-MHs will do nicely.
13/07/2004 at 10:47
Try a camera shop. I got some 2000ma AA lithiums from one near me. Not sure about costs, but they power a digital camera for a decent amount of time. Be wary of cheap AAs for sensitive equipment as I've found the sizes to be a bit hit and miss. Torches with a decent spring mechanism will be fine (and if you build your own battery pack you can build a good tolerance in), but some cameras (for example) can be particularly sensitive to batteries that are very slightly short.
13/07/2004 at 17:14
Bloody hell this battery business is complicated. Couldn't one just eat more carrots and save the need of torches??

While your talking about batteries; has anyone had experience with solar rechargers? I was pondering over buying a small one for a long trip (somewhere sunny obviously) and I won't be able to buy even slightly reliable ones where I'm going. I only need to charge AA's....
14/07/2004 at 08:48
Anybody interested in NiMH rechareables should check out these 2 sites:
http://www.battery-force.co.uk
http://www.tantronics.co.uk

Bill


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