Bivi Gear

Staying out for the summer (Solstice)

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19/06/2002 at 11:19
Folks,

With the Summer Solstice fast approaching, I've got it into my head that it might be a good idea to watch the sunset/sunrise from the top of my favourite hill. With this in mind, can anybody recommend a decent bivi/sleeping bag combo that'll get me through a night outdoors? (It'll probably p*** down but what the heck).

I'm going for a trawl around the shops tomorrow so any info before then would be gratefully received.

TIA

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view and demand that they respect yours.

~Chief Tecumseh~

19/06/2002 at 19:00
Depends what the favourite hill is and if you're able to find some shelter there, my experience of bivi bags leads me to think that you're better off with a light weight tent if the weather is looking like being less than reasonable
19/06/2002 at 19:44
Unrelated but for gods sake remember an alarm clock if your planning bth sunset/rise
19/06/2002 at 21:44
Kev, if this is to be a once-only experience, then a large polythene bag (a survival bag for example) would suffice, and be a great deal cheaper than a proper bivi bag. The only problem with these is massive internal condensation, but it's easy enough to dry out your gear when you get home if you're only out for one night.

An army surplus goretex bag is another cheap solution, but these are rather heavy, and sold in variable condition.

I use a Rab Survival Zone bag myself. I believe this is intended more as a bag cover to use inside a tent, but I and many other people use one as a bivi bag. It's lighter and much cheaper than a full goretex bag at around £50. It does up with a drawcord which can't be closed 100%, so you need to orientate the bag sensibly if it's raining to avoid a drenching.

If you have the choice, go for a synthetic sleeping bag, as it won't lose warmth when it gets damp as down bags do. But, again, if it's only for one night, then a bit of dampness can always be sorted out back at base.
19/06/2002 at 22:54
I think time I bivvied (Scout style), was in a 2-season sleeping bag - it was middle of summer - inside a survival bag, with the roll mat between the survival bag, and the sleeping bag, and with a poncho tyed over the top between four trees. I mean you have to find 4 suitably situated trees. But the rest is easy. Especially waking up I find.
19/06/2002 at 23:30
I'd take the Survival bag option...Having heard what some of the army 'do' in their bivvi bags...well I'm just glad the one that I have was a new item issue to me and not a "second hand" re-issue.
20/06/2002 at 08:08
for a one off then as Joan says, large plastic bag. (ask at your friendly neighborhood bed shop, the bag that new mattresses come in are excellent)
I've spent a lot of summer nights in a sleeping bag in a plastic bag no problems.
Condensation can get you but if you can support the bag in some way, (like a hooped bivy) use your rucsac, trekking poles or whatever then the condensation is minimised
20/06/2002 at 11:39
Hi folks,

Thanks for all the replies.

The plan for an overnight bivi is hopefully only the first of many more so I'd be looking for something that will last for a good while.

Joan, the survival zone is one that I've seen somewhere before and I'd always intended adding it to my winter kit list. I'll definitely check it out if I can find it.

Shelter - wise, the hill in question is quite craggy near the top. I've been up there in every kind of weather and always found somewhere to eat my sarnies without getting roasted, soaked, blown away or frozen.

A lightweight tent or hooped bivi make sense but probably a bit too expensive considering the summer holidays are fast approaching. Having said that, a lot of the gore bivis seem to be around the &150 mark. Gulp!

Thought about the poly bag option as I'll only be out for a few hours and probably wouldn't get much kip anyway. (Got an alarm on my watch btw Ben, just in case) I've got a decent synthetic sleepie and a thermarest so that would be the cheap choice.

I'm going to pop out at lunchtime for a visit to my local shop. Fingers crossed, they'll have something I can use. Failing that, it's a trip to the big city for me.

Thanks again everybody.

PS Surprised that Sir Bob hasn't mentioned the tarp option.

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view and demand that they respect yours.

~Chief Tecumseh~

20/06/2002 at 12:56
In this country you probably need a bivvy bag as well as a tarp. I've been seriously considering getting one of these RAB bags for £50 that Joan mentioned. Needlesports really rate them, as do a few other people I know who have them.

Needlesports
20/06/2002 at 13:21
I like the bit where it says you have to lie face down if it rains... Call me fussy, but in the UK, you'd better get used to sleeping on your front. Stepping back though, bivvies are always going to be a trade off in the sense that you give up a certain degree of comfort in exchange for light weight. In the UK the relatively high humidity, relative to cold, high mountain environments, means that breathable fabrics don't work as well and the frequent rain makes the mechanics of using a bivvy bag more complicated - it's stuff like stowing your - probably damp - sleeping bag, dressing and undressing, cooking, packing, keeping your pack dry etc...

I'm not saying it's impossible and those of a less wuss-like persuasion than myself may revel in the challenge, but I've yet to be convinced by UK bivvying on a regular basis.

That said, I'd go for a Therm-a-Rest, a synthetic bag and a bivvy or hooped bivvy with a closeable entrace and some sort of flap that'll let you leave it part open without you getting soaked. Sleeping in a fully sealed bivvy bag is claustrophobic and unpleasant. Bivvying on a clear night, at 6000 metres, with a warm sleeping bag and watching shooting stars streaking across the sky on the other hand is one of those things everyone should do at least once.

Oh, one last thought, I always put the bivvy bag on top of the mat to protect it from dirt and abrasion.

If you do go for a Gore one, the Mountain Range stuff is cheaper than most and perfectly useable.

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

20/06/2002 at 20:23
I agree with Jon on the bivy front, the thing I dont have a lot of faith in is the thought of water (from that there rain stuff) collecting in the creases of a standard bivi bag unless you can either have some tension in the cloth like a hooped bivi or have a tarp rigged up over it using shock-cord to tie it with, plus they're bloody 'orrible to sleep in!!!
23/06/2002 at 22:56
Hmmmmmmmmm bivvies...Hmmmmm on a clear starry night, I'm sure that they are brill, but in the rain and cloud and clag on a cold wet Snowdonia mountain top...BAD IDEA!!!
24/06/2002 at 13:54
So Kev, in the end did you kip out or chicken out?
24/06/2002 at 16:22
Ahem, chicken out??? Moi? I'll have you know conditions were less than favourable for a summit bid let alone an overnight bivi. Seriously tho', it totally p***hed down on the night with absolutely no chance of seeing the sunset. Would've been a pretty miserable experience so I decided to leave it for another day, or night. (A friend of mine in the wild and wooly north reported clear skies and a light wind. Perfect conditions for a night oot but major midgie-ness when the breeze died down).

Got some useful feedback out of the original post, so it wasn't a complete waste of time. Just going to have to save up for a decent one man tent I reckon. :-)

Cheers.

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view and demand that they respect yours.

~Chief Tecumseh~

24/06/2002 at 16:36
I was happy to be in my tent on Friday night (he said smugly).

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

24/06/2002 at 19:14
I was VERY HAPPY to get BACK to my tent on Friday night...
24/06/2002 at 20:25
I use a Lichfield Caddis one man tent,it fits into the side pockets of my Lowe 35L and has just enough room to cook in, if youre careful
24/06/2002 at 20:45
How much is the Lichfield then? IS it still available?
24/06/2002 at 20:53
Just checked their web site and it is no longer listed. it was about £110 but all the other makes seem to be single hoop designs that stand quite high,where as this one sits low to the ground,gonna find out if any where still does them.
24/06/2002 at 21:27
cool...still new jacket comes first...
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