Very dull but, well fit Neither has any stretch and ideally has to fit pretty tight. So.....
Fortunately I'll be able to try them on, unfortunately I suspect I'll need a size small and they don't have the Montane in that size in the colour I need (green)
Maybe the Montane is small fitting?
apart from the design features mentioned by ALS
special 6 seems to be a bit longer in the body than the Montane
and feels 'softer' - more packable (?!) due to not having the reinforcing patches and Buffalo using different (softer base fabric) fibre pile
I have an ancient 1980s Buffalo mountain shirt (too short really) and a Montane extreme jacket (90s) which doesn't have the reinforcing patches and is still used regularly by me and the OH
Is the pile in the Montane different from the Buffalo? if so which one dries fastest/feels warmest when wet or is there no difference?
If pushed I'd guess Montane possibly slightly warmer
drying performance probably equal - maybe Buffalo faster as no reinforcing non-pertex areas
personally, having tried on both this winter -almost bought either - had same dilemma as you. I'd say the montane feels stiffer and would take more 'breaking in' than the buffalo
In my dreams I decided to go for a made to measure with side zips all the way to elbows from Keith at Extreme!
I fitted long pitzips like this to my old Montane Exteme Jacket - much better - don't understand why no side vents on the jackets - as you can't sensibly vent in the same way as a smock with just the front zip....
R_Mac wrote (see)
In the end if I buy the one that I like the best on the day it should be ok
I couldn't choose (but then I had 2 similar items already!)
getting a bit warm for them now though I did meet 2 guys on sunday wearing one of each - I was wearing just a baselayer and windproof!
Mole wrote (see)
R_Mac wrote (see)In the end if I buy the one that I like the best on the day it should be ok I couldn't choose (but then I had 2 similar items already!)getting a bit warm for them now though I did meet 2 guys on sunday wearing one of each - I was wearing just a baselayer and windproof!
That must have been a bit warm
they were both about 60, moaning about the cold wind and when they stopped where I was checkpointing, one immediately put a heavy fleece on top. It was blue sky and 11am so lovely weather
takes all sorts
I own a "Buffalo Mountain Shirt" and a "Montane Extreme Jacket". I'm not sure an exact comparison is fair but I find the Montane to be a bit bulkier and slightly more restrictive overall although warmer in general. The Buffalo is less restricitive; feels more comfortable to me relative to having the feel of a thickish "shirt" vs. the Montane feeling like a jacket/coat. Both do the job but the Montane's exterior is Pertex6 so is more water resistant than the Buffalo Mountain Shirt with its Pertex5. I use them both but lean towards the Montane in proper cold weather (-15c to -6c) whereas I usually wear the mountain shirt from temps ranging from about -7c to around -1c. Applicable to overall comfort and mobility I usually opt for the Buffalo. In cold/windy conditions I prefer the Buffalo's hood vs. the Montane's because it literally wraps itself around the face and chin whereas the Montane doesn't (at least for me anyway). True, it does restrict one's vision a bit but I opt for the protection when it's warranted.
I am just selling a Montane at the moment (in green, hint hint). I find that fit depends massively on your build. I'm a bit of a V shape and it meant the jacket let in cold around the bottom and was restrictive around my chest.
However it was very good for cold weather, but above -2 i found it too warm. Also without a baselayer it seemed itchy when wet and my nipples didn't like it.
The hood is very good though, and venting works wonders. As long as you can try it on I'd recommend it. although not till next winter.
ALoveSupreme wrote (see)
I'd say - though I don't know - that the Extreme Jacket might lose some of the benefits of the cross-flow ventilation scheme that, for me, makes the Extreme Smock the most usable over the widest range of conditions. P.S. Don't you dare wear a base layer with either of them R_Mac! And make sure it's nice and cold and windy and snow's on the ground and spindrift is coming at you.
I'd say - though I don't know - that the Extreme Jacket might lose some of the benefits of the cross-flow ventilation scheme that, for me, makes the Extreme Smock the most usable over the widest range of conditions.
P.S. Don't you dare wear a base layer with either of them R_Mac! And make sure it's nice and cold and windy and snow's on the ground and spindrift is coming at you.
, not even a short sleeve one? To be honest I wasn't intending using it in the conditions you describe, I though I might just wear it in a bivvy bag under a tarp instead of using a sleeping bag or maybe just a thin synthetic bag, not up a mountain though but at lower level.
Tom Brayshaw wrote (see)
I am just selling a Montane at the moment (in green, hint hint). The hood is very good though, and venting works wonders. As long as you can try it on I'd recommend it. although not till next winter.
What size Tom?
I did my first wild camp for a while last weekend, i was a bit pissed it was too warm for the extreme, it's ultra comfy, though i can't compare it to the buffalo as i've never had one, i Doubt i ever will the extreme is so good.
Their customer service is second to none too, i tore my extreme across the kangaroo pocket and split the stitching under the right armpit whilst scrambling, they replaced it with a new one, no quibble.
I was willing to pay for the repair.
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