I'm brand new to outdoors magic, and heres my first post that I hope you guys can help me out with it. There's alot of advice already been said on Buffalo, so my thanks goes to those from similar previous posts...I think overall it comes down the individual person if it works for them or not. I'll let you know if does work for me.
Basically, I'm sorting through my gear to get it ready for this coming winter (yes, I'm OCD with my personal kit admin), I'm planning on doing abit more winter mountaineering, and after getting abit cold of the last 3 winters using the conventional 3 layer systems, I'm going for the Buffalo Mountain Shirt, my brother and dad swear by them and they have been using them for decades, literally, the old farts.
I'll get to the point, I've always got a cheap Rab Arete down Jacket stuffed down in the bottom of my sack, for that "just in case" situation, and I wonder how well it will attually work with the Buffalo system if I was ever to be in a situation where I needed that extra thermal protection....I've read that Buffalo would recommend an addtional layer, in the shape of a belay jacket on top of the Mountain Shirt....
I'll continue to carry my M.E Kongor shell, incase of uber heavy downpours and lunch stops, but thats about it. Any help, advice, good or bad is welcomed and appriciated.
Thanks and all the best, Jacko.
Think the main thing with the Buffalo belay jackets was that the whole system only really works well in very wet weather when you're generating body heat, so needed bolstering when you stopped.
This was before half decent shells (or synthetic insulation) of course, so had to be via more Buffalo. I'd think your shell should basically cover that part of the functionality entirely sensibly. Should be plenty of warmth when moving.
The only remaining thing then is the massive difference in heat output when moving/stopped. The arete should help with that as long as it isn't raining.
If you find yourself getting cold with shell + shirt when stopped in wet conditions then I guess you'd need to add a synthetic insulation thing of some sort. Think it'd be quite a small temperature range though, and you might well be fine. Depends how long the breaks you take are
Problem with down is when it gets wet it is useless - and the reason why Buffalo was/is so popular is that it works really well even when wet (which is the prevelant condition in the UK and Scotland)
Chancing being shouted down I think things have moved on considerably sonce the days of Buffalo. I would never say get rid of a buffalo shirt or jacket, but do venture that, if you havent yet go one it is well worth looking at syntheic alternatives now available - they work, are much lighter arent effected like down.
Ah yeah all the advice sounds spot on guys and gals, thanks to you all! And i think the synthetic jacket option hits the nail on the head.
Cathy, can I just ask, what thermal layer do you use over the top when you stop?
Thanks again guys, I think its obvious what my next post will be, haha, any recommendations for synthetic jackets? U ised to have a primaloft TNF redpoint jacket, and didn't really rate it in for warmth...but then i didnt have a Buffalo in the mix then either.
Yeah i'll defo look into it. Thanks again cathy!
Cheers for the advice warhippo, from your previous posts I can tell your a big Buffalo fan, and seem to have plenty of experience with the system. I'm going to play about with layers under the shirt this winter, i've got merino and synthetic so i'll see which I feel comfortable in, and of course in different temperatures, I do run quite warm so hoping to do without and just keep a thin merino short sleeve in the sack just incase.
The Torres has been recommened before to me by an ex-military man, I do like the look of it to be fair, and I appriciate they are good pieces of technical kit, I just can't get away with Paramo gear, the torres being an exception, i think the majority of it is wrank and looks dated. I'm ignorant to it and thats not a good thing because I'm sure its top stuff and would work well on the hill. Just way too many 60+ year olds wearing it.
I feel happy with the kit I have, but always open to opinions and suggestions. I was just wanting some advice from people like yourself and others above that have used Buffalo. My arete down jacket, or the synthetic jacket i'm looking into would really only be needed in a bad situation like if I broke my ankle and was stationary for X amount of time and the Buffalo system don't work as well because I'm not producing body heat. Down isnt the best when wet, and Synthetic isnt as warm as down, but can go over any layers and can get wet, which would be better with a Buffalo....
Think I just need to try it out and see how I get on, thanks to all for the advice and suggestions.
Thats exactly what I'm trying to do mate, get a set of kit that I can use all year round, which is reliable for the conditions I'll be out in, and that doesn't brake the bank, thats the whole reason I bought the mountain shirt, less layers, less cost. By selling off a couple of mirco fleeces and a Rab softshell lately...and most likely the Rab down to follow, i'm hoping to pick up a decent fill primaloft jacket for cheap and have pennies to spare. I can't afford both in this current climate.
I've got a mountain equipment kongor jacket which I love, and a pair of Rab eVent waterproof trousers which do the job, so I feel that if its ridiculously wet I can stay dry and have extra protection from the cold. I hate waterproof trousers, and feel that they are next bit of kit that need addressing, sometimes I sweat more in them and just end up wet neways, no matter how "breathable" they are, but then I'd hate to get caught out in a massive downpour and end up wet all day....Paramo softshell trousers perhaps an option, or even buffalo but may be too warm...
You've defo got me thinking warhippo, perhaps too much, but thanks for your messages, I appriciate the help!
Some great advice there. If your budget will stretch to it, consider adding a windshirt of some description. The Buffalo one is excellent and makes a noticeable difference to comfort levels.
I'm not familiar with the Kongur but I carry a basic Paclite smock, sized to fit over my Mountain Shirt for when it's really chucking it doon. (I prefer not to get wet, if I can help it)
I use the same set up as Cathy btw and it makes for a very flexible system.
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TG, i've heard good things about the keela belay before, its defo worth a look into, the positives being the price, but the warmth is important to me even more than size/weight etc.
Kev, yeah the windshirt is definatly in the runnings, for use all year round and not just on the hill,it'll be a good asset to have on the bike and for general use. I'll stick with the Buffalo option of course and use it with the mountain shirt...I'm considering Buffalo all round but I know its easy to run quite warm in it all...
Thanks again for advice, its appricated!
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