HELP - NEED SOLUTION TO REPROOF PU GROUNDSHEET

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17/04/2012 at 21:34

Need some advice...

I recently bought a vaude spider 2 off ebay as I was looking for a 3 man 3/4 season tent on a small budget and won it for £45 + £10 postage.

Its a brilliantly made tent...very well stitched and reinforced...quite retro looking with its purple guy and peg attachments and its aluminium guy runners...and very very good v pegs.

The tent appears in such good condition you would imagine it was barely used...except...when I put it up on some damp grass I noticed that no matter where I put pressure on groundsheet it wetted out...basically groundsheet isnt waterproof.

Ive since agreed to half my purchase price back so if I can sort this cheaply it will be a bargain!

So basically...I am not considering replacing groundsheet...so want to know if anybody has had any success at reproofing them? Its not sili nylon, neither fly nor groundsheet appear to be ripstop ie little squares...

I was considering fabsil gold...but a few people have suggested they have used Thomson Waterseal to reproof groundsheets? And somebody suggested clear PVA mixed with spirits...similar idea to silicone mix for sili nylon?

Its a new one for me so any thoughts appreciated

17/04/2012 at 22:38

Aquaseal Polycoat is supposed to be the thing - not tried it myself though....

a supplier

17/04/2012 at 23:14
http://www.mcnett.com/Tent-Sure-Tent-Floor-Sealant-P169.aspx
GOF
17/04/2012 at 23:16

Interesting...I was about to say you'll be lucky..but Mole suggestion looks very interesting

GOF
18/04/2012 at 07:27

Silicone mix (50:50 clear silicone bath sealant: white spirits) can be used on anything and is cheap & robust, but doesn't give a great finish aesthetically and is quite hard to get right on a large area. I've used it on PU successfully.

Alternatively, you could use a different barrier. Of my current 6 tents, only 2 have properly bombproof waterproof groundsheets, but this has never caused me a problem. I always use one of 1) a thin layer of polythene drop cloth (the really thin stuff used for decorating), 2) polycro, 3) thin foam mats, or 4) thick survival bag polythene under the tent and never get damp coming through. Also keeps the groundsheet clean.

I find that any tent used enough ends up with small holes in the groundsheet, particularly if, like me, you sometimes cook in the tent and get occasional sparks...

18/04/2012 at 10:36
Cheers guys! If I get it sorted then its a real bargain. After partial refund etc the tent has only cost me £30 quid and everything else is great. It is a bit musty (think it was dampish) but just the white powdery stuff on fly not mildew. Have washed it all down and once fly and groundsheet are treated it will be like a new tent...and it seems bombproof...very heavy duty stitching and reinforcements.
18/04/2012 at 11:15
silicon mix oesn't work on PU proofed fabrics 
18/04/2012 at 11:57
Zuma wrote (see)
silicon mix oesn't work on PU proofed fabrics 
On my tent at least the PU coating is on the inside. You put the silicone mix on the bare nylon outside. I used a weight ratio of 3 parts low odour white spirit to 1 part silicon as reommended on some website several years ago. Worked fine. Hasn't leaked since.
18/04/2012 at 18:41
Oh yeah! on the outside it should work but it wears quickly due to grinding on the ground. That's why coatings of groundsheets are always on the inside. For seams of the outertent it will work good on the outside (less grinding).
18/04/2012 at 18:51

I've yet to hear of a tent being saved when the PU coating has gone.

Good luck.


 

18/04/2012 at 18:54
I would seriously consider contacting Vaude.  Nothing to lose, and many manufacturers have a very good customer service.  They'd be interested to know there's a problem, I'm sure - it's no good for their reputation to make duff stuff, if that's what's happened.  How old is the tent?
18/04/2012 at 19:30
The tent is 10 years old but there is no way its seen much use at all. Quite frankly its in exceptional condition...not a single hole, loose stitch or repair...even with excellent care it could not have seen much use ever.
18/04/2012 at 19:42
Try them?  They may still be able to help in some way - and it sounds like the tent is worth it.
18/04/2012 at 19:46
Yeah its a super tent. I cant tell which side its supposed to be proofed on as the grounsheet just feels like bare nylon both sides...theres no residue etc. I'll give them a whirl. Cheers!
19/04/2012 at 12:45

It's entirely possible for the PU coating on an old, but little used tent to degrade.  Let's hope the coating on the flysheet is either silicone, or hasn't degraded too...

Grounsheet coatings are generally on the inside of the tent, where they're relatively protected.

> and won it for £45 + £10 postage

<pedant>

You bought it on eBay.  If you pay for something, it's not 'winning'; that's just eBay's psychology to get people into a bidding frenzy.  Don't fall for it.

</pedant>

19/04/2012 at 15:52
Well whatever you want to call it...cost me total now of £30 so well chuffed either way.
19/04/2012 at 17:12
Vaude also make extra groundsheets that can be put underneath for a bit of backup. If you're not happy that the groundsheet has been fully re-waterproofed, then this could be an option.
19/04/2012 at 18:45

Vaude got back to me and sort of said in a roundabout way...tough luck.

Bought some polythene to make a cheap but light footprint and am currently mixing some concoctions from DIY store onto scrap nylon to see what the results are.

20/04/2012 at 07:50

Shame, but worth a try.  I wonder if they offered a solution?

FWIW, Terra Nova do repairs and mods to others' tents.  But probably not that cheap.  Tundra may be able to help.  Otherwise, suggest manage as best you can to see what you make of the tent then, if you really like it, consider longer term options?

20/04/2012 at 13:46
Well, if you have a sewing machine, replacing the groundsheet won't be too hard a job (unpick the old, use the old to cut out the new, sew in the new; they're usually fairly simple shapes to sew).  Get some proofed nylon from Pennine or Point North.
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