Looking for advice
I am looking to get a insulated smock for lazing around camp or general wear in colder weather.Some i have considered are:Keela belay smockSnugpak softie elite shirtThe keela is apealing to me more at the moment because of the Primaloft insulation and the zips that run from the wait up untill under the arms, for me good ventilation is key as i walk on the warm side.I am looking mostly at synthetic insulation because of the lighter weight and function when wet.Thanks for reading,Dan
You've got a problem here
It takes an awful lot - can't remember the multiple, 4 is it, or maybe thats the sleeping multiple - as much insulation to keep you warm when semi static as when moving. And then even more when totally so. It is thus basically impossible to have something thats both warm at camp and sensible to wear while moving.
In this case the softie elite shirt is rated down to -5 comfort when static (or maybe even when sleeping?). You wouldn't want to move anywhere in it Not sure what the Keela rates to but its probably also crazily warm for active use.
As for the warm when wet thing, yes its better than down but fleece does at least as well and probably rather better.
Thank you for the replys,
I have been looking at the buffalo's and found the teclite shirt which i feel would suit the warm when moving but not in camp.
Although i do want it to be able to be worn when moving it will never be worn when i am hill walking because i know it would be to hot, but it would be used when i go out for a quick stroll with the dogs.
But most of all it will be a "JIC" warm layer or camp layer so will spend most of the time in a small drybag in my pack, so that when the light weight is needed.
If anyone hs any other suggestions i would be happy to hear them.
i've had a Snugpack Softie shirt, and while it was great for standing around in chilly winds, it wasn't as good as a Buffalo S6/Mountain shirt at coping with standing around in chilly winds with a bit of light rain/sleet added in for good measure.
it was warmer than the buffalo in dry conditions, but less able to cope with any dampness.
after it got wrecked i just used an Army issue 'Softie' jacket clone which i found to be as good as the Softie Shirt at what it was supposed to do - personally i'd recommoned it as the solution to your problem - its called the 'Thermal Jacket', costs about £30 new on fleabay and will be adveristised as 'Army softie jacket' or some such..
mine is a medium, it fits easily over a baselayer and 100wt fleece and goes well passed my bum, keeping me lovely and toasty - i'm 5'8'' with a 43'' chest and a ridiculously long back. it compreeses wthout fuss into an Exped (Small) 5L drybag.
For slumming around camp think about getting a downie. Lighter and much more compact than the other alternatives, and warmer too.
For general active use when it's colder, stick on another layer.
except that your man here wants something either works (a bit) when it gets wet, or isn't wrecked by getting wet.
a bottom end Down - Alpkit being the dogs bollocks as far as i'm concerned - is going to cost £90. a Rab/TNF/ME whatever is going to cost him £200. a cheapy synthetic is going to cost £30, a less cheapy could be between £60 and £120.
for me the difference between a cheapy synthetic and a branded down jacket is 1000 miles of diesel and 2 nights in a B&B - i know which i'd get more out of...
another layer (e.g., fleece) for active use shouldn't matter much if it gets wet, and slumming around in camp there's no reason to get wet 'cause you're in a tent.
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