Is the smaller pack size worth £40?
Just to add to the question above: the Laser 2009 (same model with rear door) is packed weight 1.24 Kg, packed size 16 x 56 cm, flysheet HH 4000 mm & groundsheet HH 7000 mm.
The Laser Competition 2 is packed weight 1.25 Kg, packed size 40 x 16 cm, flysheet HH 3000 mm & groundsheet HH 5000 mm. Surely there is a mistake somewhere, 10 gram weight penalty and thinner materials just to fold the end poles has got to be wrong!
You'd expect sample variation in tents, I think mainly becase of variation in coating thicknesses that are outside of the control of Terra Nova.
So it'll depend to some extent on the samples they weigh. Hilleberg use a running average IIRC, and one year several models got 100g heavier even though they didn't change anything. In other words, 10g is well within the noise from sample variation.
You are missing the point Wurz. Surely the thinner materials in the Laser Comp. 2 would have made the tent lighter, not heavier.
The extra guys would be useful, maybe the weight has gone into adding those.
Anyway: is the Laser Competition 2 a better tent than the Laser 2010? Essentially that is my question.
That depends on how one defines "better"... Something with as many compromise design points as a tent it's actually quite hard to pin that down.
I'd be inclined to ask TN what the actual design differences are and then you can choose according to your particular criteria.
The differences are listed above
Up to a point. You can't put your finger on exactly why there isn't a bigger weight advantage for the LC2 which is why I'm suggesting you ask TN. They really ought to know and then you won't be speculating. In other words, why ask people who don't know when you can ask people who do?
What would I pack? something with two decent sized porches, so neither of these options!
I have bought the Laser Competiton 2 (2011 model) from the US. £30.00 cheaper than I could have got from anywhere in the UK (Springfield are advertising them at £259.99). The Laser 2010 is available from Terra Nova direct at the moment for £220 (plus around £4.00 for P & P).
The LC2 was too tempting to me at that price as I thought the smaller pack size would outweight the material performance as I don't intend pitching it when it is peeing down with rain. Additional guy points are an added bonus that I did not know about (cheers Wurz).
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The LC2 was too tempting to me at that price as I thought the smaller pack size would outweight the material performance as I don't intend pitching it when it is peeing down with rain.
I've got a laser 2010 and I was going to get shut because of fiddly set up and the long poles. That is until I saw a post saying that the laser had more plus points thatn the LC. I think that this advice was passed to someone considering the comp and if my memory serves me well (there's a song there somewhere!) it was a post by Sean of oookworks. Anyway, I ended up keeping mine and got an old pole and made two folding end poles out of it. I beleive T/N are due to have a supply of the new folding poles, so those who have the Laser can swap the current washing pole size end poles. That will make a pack size of about 40 cm instead of 56ish.
I've got to try it yet, so I'm trying to get a nice quiet, dry weekend!
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I modified the end poles on my Zephyros 2 so the pack size is 40cm. I knew I could have done that with the Laser but for whatever reason I plumbed for the Laser Competition 2 (at around £6.00 more).
JL2, the Laser is alas no more. It has been replaced by the Laser Competition 2. The Laser (or LC2) gives a bit more internal room for only a marginal weight penalty; that is the main plus point over the Laser Competition (now LC1). I would never consider the LC2 to be a two man tent but I will share it with my son (he's only 7).
as I don't intend pitching it when it is peeing down with rain
Then you should have bought a bug net and always go on holidays to deserts...
The bug net pursuit has begun in earnest. The UK will be a desert soon.
3. Extra guy Points
As more and more people are pushing the boundaries of use of the Laser models, we have added 2 extra guy points to the ends of some of the Laser range. This was already specified on the Laser Completion 2 and allows the user to get an even better pitch in poor weather. Note extra pegs and guyline are required. Further great advice on pitching can be found in our <a href="http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/Downloads/Customer_Services/TentOwnersManual.pdf" title="Click to download our User Manual (PDF format)">User Manual</a> and also on our <a href="http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/Product_Information/Terra_Nova_Top_Tips.html" title="Go to the Top Tips section">Top Tips</a> section. This applies to the following models: Laser Photon 1, Laser Photon 2, Laser Competition 1.
2011 Laser Series tents
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