Should my ME Changabang be leaking through the front pockets? It's about 8 months old and for the last 2 outings, in a full days rain there has been about an inch of water sat in the 2 outer pockets. There was a disclaimer when it came that said pockets are not 100% waterproof or something similar, but an pool of water is a joke.
I called gooutdoors and they were non committal saying pockets could leak a bit and they may have to send it off to be tested. I explained I had re treated it with a DWR but it was still leaking but their stance is it needs to be tested unless there is a visible fault, which I can not see.
Really disappointed given it’s a £250 jacket and I have a berghaus pro shell that never lets a drop in. I'm wondering in the front pockets on the Changabang are a weakness in general or this is a faulty jacket.
Any opinions welcome.
All water resistant zips can leak under the right conditions.
As MfD points out, water resistant and waterproof are not the same at all. The only zips I've come across on non-drysuit gear that I'd realistically hope to properly keep out rain are Riri Aquazips, which are not at all common (for example, the more expensive ME Kalanka has them on its pockets), and if you don't have those you'll need stormflaps over the entrances.
A pool of water isn't a joke: it demonstrates very well that the jacket material itself does not leak, because you're not getting wet... Maybe your Berghaus jacket doesn't have leaky pockets, but on the other hand is it as easy to get bulky items in and out of them?
I understand the frustration, but if you look at dry-suit seals you'll see just how much protection you need to really keep water out if it's a day long deluge, and having a vertical pocket entrance (good,for access) makes a pocket more vulnerable to leakage over the day. And a long entrance (again, good for access) makes matters worse.
The main idea is to keep the wearer dry. And if the water doesn't get past the pockets it seems it's probably doing that.
The Changabang isn't £250 because it's anymore waterproof than a £150 jacket, it's because it's a 'highly specced' climbing jacket. There are loads of better (IMO) jackets out there for hillwalking.
Changabang posts seem to be following a theme
Not really. Yours was delaminating IIRC. This one doesn't have any such issues, but issues which are common to jackets with long, exposed vertical zips in general. Goretex jackets in general have been subject to delamination woes for as long as there's been any such thing as Goretex jackets, of course.
Its just people not thinking really
If you're using pockets in terms of taking stuff in/out then - more less reagrdless how you design them - whatever you do with them they're not staying dry inside. And whatever is inside them/exposed to the elements some of the time certainly won't!
But if you're not actually using the stuff in the pockets, then why ever isn't that stuff in your rucksack somewhere instead?
I think maybe a better design would be a gusseted pocket with a drain at the bottom. But that would cost more, get in the way more and not look so neat. Not looking so neat shouldn't really come in to it for a technical climbing jacket, but let us not kid ourselves that sales overall would probably suffer and at the end of the day business has to make money.
You could also use something like the RiRi Aquazip, and some jackets are starting to use these on pockets as well as main zips. That's a better solution too, IMHO, but again will up the price and would make the jacket a little less flexible in use. I'd still like a drain though. On a climbing jacket the big pockets are there on the front so you can easily access stuff you need while you might not easily get to your pack, or just put things down. That ease of access does make them vulnerable to water getting in.
So, back to the issue at hand... If you want stuff dry then a jacket pocket and nothing else is The Wrong Answer, as Martin points out. So you don't stuff a glove in and have it come out sopping wet, a periodic emptying stop might be a good idea. If you think that's less than ideal I'd agree, but the jacket is to keep you dry, not what you put in the pockets.
For long walks in continuous heavy rain you'd probably be better off in a longer cut jacket where the pockets have entrances behind stormflaps. Do a technical winter climb in one of those and try and get the ice screw you just stuffed in a pocket out quickly while holding on to an axe with one hand and you might find everything's a bit more awkward than you wanted... If you must carry a 'phone or ipod etc. on your person then use an inside pocket.
Mike fae Dundee wrote (see)
* THE DIDSTER * wrote (see)
Mike fae Dundee wrote (see)All water resistant zips can leak under the right conditions.a good jacket should have taped seems around the pocket,both mine do!Not the best place for electrical goods etc as it like a bag with a goldfish in it ..
bad clothing choice then bedders. it happens to us all. it isn't the clothing's fault if used for purposes for which it is unfit. irrespective how much it cost or perceived quality.
Bedouin wrote (see)
... For practical reasons it was only possible to carry 1 jacket. With the best will in the world there are going to be times when you need to use a technical item in a non technical way ...
Parky Again wrote (see)
bad clothing choice then bedders...
I'd side with Bedouin on this one - if you're not simply out for a day or an overnighter, but travelling multi-day and multi-activity, then it's pretty much impossible to have clothing that's optimised for everything you need it for. I know myself from things like ski touring that I'd choose to take the clothes that'll work best for the skiing in the mountains and I'll have to make do with them when I'm back in or travelling to/from civilisation.
The mistake isn't the choice of clothing. If anything it's simply not being aware of the scope for leakage and taking suitable protective measures like sticking the phone in a plastic bag or waterproof case.
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