My summer and winter kit lists.

Hi, these are my current kit lists. I have been gradually reducing weight and have made a lot of progress on this front. Makes you realise how much you were once carrying! Any suggestions or thoughts welcome. Ohh and no shelter listed as I recently sold my mountain hardware tent and have lately been sharing a tent with my mate of which I have carried the poles and pegs. So I am in the market for a lightweight shelter. Like tents, but have recently been interested by tarps, although not sure of practicalities with uk weather!
Summer kit:
Terra Nova Laser 35L backpack - 467 grams
Rab alpine 600 sleeping bag and exped dry sack - 1232 grams
Travel Tap water filter bottle - 145 grams
Jetboil, tripod, bag and spork  - 469 grams
Wind shield (home made) - 77 grams
Trowel - 54 grams
POE peak elite AC mat regular size with repair kit -  355 grams
Foam Sit Mat - 26 grams
Karrimor Trek towel (cut down) - 25 grams
Compass - 45 grams
Black diamond Spot Head torch - 85 grams
Led lenser police tech Torch - 149 grams
Platy 2L Closure Cap soft bottle - 38 grams
Lifesystems First Aid Kit (customised) - 88 grams
Travel Toothbrush -  7 grams
Camera and aloksac -  183 grams
iPhone and aquapac case - 165 grams
1 exped dry bag and 2 exped stuff sacks - 100 grams
Total: 3700 grams

Clothes:
Waterproof Jacket TNF meru peak - 393 grams
Berghaus fleece Hat - 39 grams
Rab stretch gloves - 54 grams
Rab generator smock - 360 grams
Spare socks bridgedale coolmax - 33 grams
Total: 879 grams

Grand total base weight: 4589 grams


I have not included useables such as water and food as their weights change. I also carry wet wipes, hand sanitizer and a tiny toothpaste, as well as biodegradable toilet paper.
Any questions please ask.
Cheers.

Looking good - but...

Map
Emergency whistle?

ps - welcome to the Forum

Cheers for the welcome. Have a whistle on backpack chest strap. Did forget map weight, always take one though. I have mostly the OS tuff maps and just weighed one for breacon it's 160 grams! That's more than I ever realised. I sometimes borrow my mates garmin 62s gps which is brilliant. I have been thinking of getting one myself for a while.
P.S. Will post my winter kit later.

Ben.

Yes, the tuff maps are a bit heavier. I tend to print out the area I want from Memory Map. Are you based here in South Wales? I'm in Cardiff.

I've noticed that an increasing number of rucksacks have a whistle on the chest strap - most of mine do, it's a great thing.

Wow, that's light!

Nice kit list. The Rab alpine 600 seems a little overkill for a uk summer bag when everything else is so minimal ? I'm suprused  you haven't got a quantum 250 or something along those lines..

I'm a londoner actually, but I like breacon a lot and it's not too difficult a journey to reach. They put whistles on everything now! I have been looking at the petzl e+lite lately and that has a whistle on the head strap. I have an osprey talon 44 for winter and that has a whistle too.
The alpine 600 is overkill and on my most recent trip I was more on it than in it as its a really warm bag. So I have been looking at light weight summer bags. I am leaning towards the vango venom 225 at £75, it weighs 750 grams and is rated to 4 ish. I would like another rab bag or maybe a phd but can't bring myself to spend that much for a summer bag.

The other areas I could reduce weight are my head light a petzl e+lite is only 27 grams. My jetboil isn't exactly ultralight, I have an msr pocket rocket and if I got a Titan kettle or similar titanium pot I could do a cook kit for about 200 grams.

I like the idea of ultralight, but I am pretty pleased with most of my setup.

My winter kit is obviously fairly similar, the main differences are in clothing.

Winter kit:
Osprey Talon 44 backpack - 1100 grams
Rab alpine 600 sleeping bag and exped dry sack - 1232 grams
Travel Tap water filter bottle and insulated pouch - 201 grams
Jetboil, tripod, bag and spork  - 469 grams
Wind shield (home made) - 77 grams
Trowel - 54 grams
POE peak elite AC mat regular size with repair kit -  355 grams
Foam Sit Mat - 26 grams
Karrimor Trek towel (cut down) - 25 grams
Compass - 43 grams
Black diamond Head torch - 85 grams
Led lenser Torch - 149 grams
Platy 2L Closure Cap - 38 grams
First Aid Kit - 88 grams
Toothbrush -  7 grams
Spare batteries-  34 grams
Camera and dry bag -  183 grams
iPhone and aquapac - 165 grams
Rain cover - 126 grams
Total: 4491 grams

Clothing:
Waterproof Jacket TNF Point 5 - 557 grams
Waterproof Trousers cheap regatta ones - 207 grams
Technicals thick beenie hat - 192 grams
Rab stretch gloves - 54 grams
Rab generator smock- 360 grams
Berghaus Gaiters - 240 grams
Fleece buff used as neck gaiter and balaclava- 52 grams
Mountain Equipment Guide Gloves - 92 grams
Spare base layer Helly Hansen usually - 292 grams
Spare Socks Bridgedale coolmax - 33 grams
Total: 2079 grams

Grand total base weight before Useable's: 6570 grams

This is for a fairly moderate to low level trip and is suitable for snow conditions also. Obviously ice axes and crampons needed for more technical or higher areas.
A fairly resilient setup.
The addition of a bothy or bivvi bag could be considered for Scotland I guess.

Thoughts?

Are you warm enough with just the Generator for insulation in winter?

Norwich camping have the vango venom 225 for £59.99.

Also I noticed you use the same sleeping mat for summer and winter, I guess you don't feel the cold that much or that mat is much warmer than the weight suggests.

I have used the winter setup down to -11 and I was fine. I don't get cold too easily. If I wear my merino long sleeve base layer, generator and waterproof jacket on top, with hat and gloves and buff then I am usually toasty. In the peak district this winter I just wore the generator with hat and gloves most of the time and was warm.
Really like the generator, primaloft filling has worked well.

The mat is rated as 4.4 in the body and 2.2 on the extremities. It uses welded insulation and a heat reflective lining. It's really comfy and warm to -10 ish, or with a thin closed cell matt under much lower. Great mat for the weight.

I've given up after getting to 12kgs for cold winter kit.... ho hum!

Is that 12 kg including food or water?
It's whatever you are happy with anyway mate.

It includes a tent, sleeping bag, sleeping mat, stove and a few other bits.

O.K the above post was a bit tongue in cheek as I'm the COMPLETE polar opposite of lightweight. I'm of the opinion that as long as I can comfortably carry the kit for the trip then weight is of SECONDARY importance to function/performance.

Edit: when I say cold I'm thinking of at least -15 and likelihood of (some) bad weather. Warmer and I MIGHT swap the Ghost for a Superlight and a less bombproof tent etc

I'm in a fairly similar place winter gear wise, I prefer to have a roll up foam mat (150g) in addition to an inflatable. Handy tip: for cooking, especially mid day, sit down and put your foam mat on edge around you and your stove, makes a nice big windshield

I carry a lot more insulation clothing and a lighter sleeping bag though. PHD yukon and minimus trousers. Those combined with a neutrino 400 in a bivvy and I'm toasty, makes getting out of the bag easy too

I have a lot of things set up so that I can use them in summer and then combine with something else for winter.

I'm actually getting heavier though, 1.4kg of camera gear at the last weigh in, but when everything else is so light it's fine.

I've got my summer gear for a weekend down to fitting in a 20l pack, with just shelter(hammock+tarp or Trailstar+bivvy) on the outside and chest mounted camera bag. But it's untested. Soon

Terra Nova Laser 35L backpack - 467 grams Will this pack hold your tent
Rab alpine 600 sleeping bag and exped dry sack - 1232 grams Too heavy
Travel Tap water filter bottle - 145 grams Bin it
Jetboil, tripod, bag and spork - 469 grams Use an alky stove
Wind shield (home made) - 77 grams
Trowel - 54 grams Bin it. Use a tent peg.
POE peak elite AC mat regular size with repair kit - 355 grams Lighter alternatives
Foam Sit Mat - 26 grams Bin it
Karrimor Trek towel (cut down) - 25 grams
Compass - 45 grams
Black diamond Spot Head torch - 85 grams Get a Photon
Led lenser police tech Torch - 149 grams Bin it. You don't need 2 torches.
Platy 2L Closure Cap soft bottle - 38 grams 1L is enough
Lifesystems First Aid Kit (customised) - 88 grams Bin it
Travel Toothbrush - 7 grams
Camera and aloksac - 183 grams
iPhone and aquapac case - 165 grams
1 exped dry bag and 2 exped stuff sacks - 100 grams
Total: 3700 grams

Clothes:
Waterproof Jacket TNF meru peak - 393 grams Lighter alternatives
Add waterproof breeks
Berghaus fleece Hat - 39 grams
Rab stretch gloves - 54 grams Do you need gloves in summer
Rab generator smock - 360 grams Lighter alternatives
Spare socks bridgedale coolmax - 33 grams
Spare undies?
No fleece?
Windproof?

Total: 879 grams

Grand total base weight: 4589 grams

There seems to be quite a few things missing. Maps? Soap, if you use any? Bog roll?

Just a few suggestions.

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Going back to the OP, the only areas I can see to drop a bit of weight are the sleeping bag and stove.

I second the recommendation for a Cumulus Quantum 200 - it's an ideal summer bag and only 495g.

The Jetboil is convenient and easy to use but pretty heavy.  A Coleman F1 Lite or meths burner plus a Titanium pot would more than halve the weight.

I would also question the need for 2 torches in the summer, especially as the combined weight is 234g.  A Petzl e-lite is only 27g and if you really want a back-up, then one of the tiny keyring torches weighs even less. 

3leon, 20 litres is pretty amazing!

Mike, pack should hold tent. It has room. I agree the sleeping bag is too heavy for summer but in winter its worth it.
What's wrong with the travel tap? I've used it and an aqua pure treveller and found them good.
The jetboil is heavy, I have a pocket rocket as I mentioned and with a titanium pot I could be saving 250 grams.
Never though of using a peg, nice one.
Not many lighter mat options with the same comfort.
Foam sit mat could go, does offer extra padding in the backpack.
Head torch could be a petzl e+lite as I mentioned earlier. I do night hike quite often hence two torches. Point taken though.
1 litter ain't enough for camp for me. But a 1 liter platty and a drinks bottle could work.
First aid kit is pretty good and minimal, even got a lighter in there for the stove. Have found blister kits and plasters can be handy.
Waterproof jacket could be lighter any decent suggestions?
In summer don't need waterproof trousers just get wet. Lightweight trousers dry quick anyway.
Agreed about gloves.
Not much around lighter than the generator for the insulation that deals as well with water and damp.
One pair of undies for 4 days is fine. If a little flagrant.
No fleece as I have found the generator better.
No windproof currently, but I have been looking at the montane litespeed.

Cheers, all food for thought.
Anyone care to post their list as comparison?

TNF Triumph Anorak is/was the lightest i could find. My Large weighs 174g.

I don't treat water.

No 100 weight fleece? What do you wear if you get cold when walking, but the Generator would be too much?

Lighter mat? 20" X 46" X 2.5" Kookabay Air mat weighs 280g. A bit of foam is much lighter still.

I need waterproof trousers, as i sleep in my clothes.

Montbell have quite a few lighter options than the Generator. I only wear insulation in camp, so my 200g Montbell UL Down inner jacket does me.

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