Pot cosies

For how long will food continue to cook?

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26/06/2012 at 14:40
Does anyone know how long food will continue to cook after it has been brought to the boil and immediately placed in a pot cosy?

I'm the head cook and bottle-washer in our household and I know that roast meat will continue to cook for some time after it has been removed from the oven, but I suspect that boiled food, which will not reach the same temperature as roasted food, will not continue to cook for very long.

Is there a temperature below which food ceases to cook?

Hugh

26/06/2012 at 15:27
I'm no scientist but I keep my dehydrated food in my cosy for around 20 minutes before eating, not sure about a sunday roast though
26/06/2012 at 16:44
Nothing to stop you experimenting with small pans of rice and pasta, leaving it on a breezy doorstep outside your house, and checking on it after a few minutes to see how well it's doing. At some point you'll have a rough idea how useful pot cosies are going to be. (Instead of rice and pasta, feel free to substitute other common pot-foods.)
26/06/2012 at 18:27

I did some temperature tests a while back, and posted the results here.

Then we're into the tricky realm of 'what temperature does stuff cook at?'...  Depends what you're cooking.  Porridge will cook nicely if left in a cosy.  Pasta is a little more difficult (depending on pasta type; farfallini and conchigliette are thinner, and so cook more easily).  This suggests it depends on the absorbency of what you're cooking.

26/06/2012 at 19:19
Bob Cartwright is a keen cosy man - check his web or email him, usually very helpful

GOF
26/06/2012 at 20:20
Given enough time and maintenance of temperature most things will cook at 100C or less (I regularly use a slow cooker for large pork/gammon joints overnight) so its really a case of will it cook/finish in the time you have available either before you give up or before the temperature falls too much.

Basically food is "cooked" when its core temperature reaches 75C or more - there is the question of rehydration etc which is a different matter. On that basis, you cant cook at below 75C.
GOF
26/06/2012 at 20:37
My grandmother used to cook really tasty stews in what she called a hay box -- from memory a small wooden packing case lined with hay to a depth of six inches or more. She put some stewing meat, veg and stock in a pan and brought it to the boil, put it straight in the hay box, placed a similarly thick layer of hay on top and left it all day. She just brought it back up to piping hot before dinner and the meat was always done to a turn. So I guess food will cook for a very long time if the insulation is good enough.
26/06/2012 at 22:33
I've found that for things like pasta and quick cook rice it is not really any longer in the cosy than on the stove. I bring it up to a good rolling boil,stick it in the cosy then cook the sauce or whatever. Usually by the time that is done the rice or pasta is finished.

Backpacking light uk has some videos showing temp over time I think.

Steve d
27/06/2012 at 13:01
A how-to with temperature measurements at The Outdoor Station.
27/06/2012 at 13:53

depends upon what cook means.

an internal temperature of 61C sustained for 10 mins will cook meat i.e. make it safe to eat although an internal temperature of 70C ish will make it look better. but enough of meat as that's a whole new subject e.g the internal temperature of medium roast beef is 55C

hard things like root veg need a highish temperature to cook satisfactorily by which i mean reach a state of acceptable palatabilty rather than very soft outside and hard centre. soft veg (leaves) cook on quite happily in a pot cosy.

cosies come into their own for most foods that require water absorption. dehydrated food and rice spring to mind as both just really need to be in very hot water to hydrate and do not change their physical properties that much - if by some fluke you really overdo rice into a poriidge then you have made congee instead of boiled rice (congee - hugely popular dish in china et al)

pasta is more problematical and ideally should be boiled as the outside will be slimey with a break dente centre. very small pasta can be added to a pot at the last to "cook on" just before eating.

this is all a bit of a simplification and if you have to carry water anyway then dried food becomes less attractive as ready prepared items are easier to use.

so generally a pot cosy is good for rice, porridge, grains, lentils, rehydration of dried food, keeping stuff hot whilst you cook something else

Edited: 27/06/2012 at 13:55
28/06/2012 at 12:01
An other important fact is the less heat loss the more effective a cosy is. It's kind of obvious but often forgotten. Good cosies keep the food or boiled water hot for at least 15 minutes. After this time you actually still should burn your mouth with a some food taken of the surface.

My tactic with rehydrated food is bringing it to a boil, Keep it slowly boiling for 1 minute and then put it away in a cosy for 15-20 minutes and my selfmade cosy keeps stuff really hut due to specially slected heat reatining material which make a combination possible of insulation from heat transport through the material and reflection insulation on the inside of the cosy
28/06/2012 at 12:33
Helps a lot if you shove that pot with cozy inside spare clothing or just your sleeping bag. Essentially you are increasing the insulation  that way.Obviously this is not a good idea if animals are a problem or one is tired and emotional...Franco
28/06/2012 at 22:01

some other views from the last pot cosie thread about a fortnight ago:

Mole wrote (see)
I've used cosies, but after a couple seasons, decided that they are unnecessary outside winter temps. extra faff. Dried backpacking meals rehydrate well, and stay warm enough without. Even the cheap rice or pasta n sauce stuff which needs a bit of simmering rehydrate well without if left long enough, and are still warm to eat. If needing cosy effect for some longer cook food (like real rice or veg) I just wrap pan with a hat or fleece or warm jacket.

ed h wrote (see)

what he said; I put mine in a plastic bag in my sleeping bag while I wander around....

Don't try this in the US as you will be eaten by large hungry bears.


Metric Kate wrote (see)
What Mole and ed said. About pot cosies, not bears. I don't know anything about bears. Except teddy bears.

Kev The Nasty Meanie wrote (see)
What Mole, Ed and Kate said. Made one several years ago, used it a couple of times then put it away. I just use a Polar Buff that I'd be carrying anyway.

cathyjc wrote (see)
I use a pot cosy since the episode when using a piece of clothing to wrap up and insulate a pot, I accidentally got the clothing too close to the wind shield and melted a hole in it. Careless, but easy to do in a confined space. An Expensive mistake.

29/06/2012 at 19:28

I made my cozy froim medium thickness polyester fleece closed with Velcro. It's rectangular, made to fit a 1 quart freezer bag. The fleece cozy is light and packs flat in my front pouch pocket.

 Usually my "Freezer Bag" cooking never requires more than 20 minutes. It's always very hot wehn I open the bag to eat. GOOGLE freezer bag cooking for great, inexpensive recipies.

BTW, I now carry a long-handled Lexan spoon so my fingers don't get down into the bag and messy.

29/06/2012 at 23:54
Up early because I got shaken out of bed by an earthquake. The cats aren't very happy...

Real world example: I make a version of this where I cook it for five minutes, put in the cosy for 10 minutes, then cook for another five minutes. Works fine.

I've also got a recipe for dhal baat that I think will work well, a 'proper' meal consuming little fuel. Going to try it next week.
01/07/2012 at 15:27

Thank you everyone for your responses. I've learnt that food insulated in a cosy will continue to cook for several minutes. The information is much appreciated!

Hugh

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