Scarp ve Zephyros

or look at it another way

the Scarp is an object of desire and could be easily resold for a decent price.

 The Zeph couldn't.

I don't exactly see how the end decision comes down to these 2 models as I think they are quite different in terms of quality.  However just to muddy the waters how about this at a bargain price? Terra Nova

I've not tried a laser but I'd guess that for one with 2 doors and the end lifts it wouldn't be that condensationy.  I think it's meant to be less flappy too.  The Zephyros seems to be a cheaper material, one door version of the Laser so don't understand it making the shortlist other than price.  Talking of which isn't the Scarp £300 with postage and tax?

Me I'm happy with my Akto/SL3.  Sold a LC as I think the Akto is  better.  When bored I toy with selling the Hilly and buying a Scarp with the proceeds but I can't be bothered as I still actually like the much maligned Akto.

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 Only concern with Zeph is that it will be too flappy in high winds.

I like my Zeph - it's a good little tent at the price. That said, it is noisily 'flappy' in strong winds.

A friend (well, acquaintance) has a Scarp and on the only ocassion we've camped adjacent his tent was noticeably 'stiffer' and quieter than mine.

On the other hand, even on cold still nights I've had no problem with excessive condensation in my Zephyros.

The Hilly price is daft, even ijn the states, I got mine for much less from Moontrail and picked it up when I was visiting with my old job.  Scarps weren't available then so the choice was straightforward.

Buying today I think I'd get a Scarp.  Well actually I'd prob just use my SL3 or get something like that, maybe a duomid.

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Having a Scarp myself, I know with the crosspoles, and extra guys they can stand constant 50mph winds and gusts of 70+.

 If you read the owners thread, you will read that mine got wrecked in conditions like that, then I'd just started pitching it. Stephens stood them no problem.

 I got mine repaired by Henry for no charge. I've been out in conditions simaler since, without any problem.

 Paul.

Can't you find someone that has both?   Actually I think Mole may have had both of em?

I think I do, possibly with a few caveats.  Not sure about mega winds but then I think most non full on mountain tents are then suspect. So I'd avoid exposed pitches if it's going to be arse but then I'd do that anyway.

It's not heavy and has an incredible amount of space, especially headroom, even with 2 people in it. A half nest would be good for one.  Read the owners thread? Here

Have a read of Montgomery Wick's blog Tracksterman too.  He's used his all winter in Scotland and whilst he does bothy and he broke a pole in extremis it seems to be ok for him. 

So whilst I can't compare like for like I can say I like it a lot.

I've got a SL3 and been in quite windy and wet weather and not noticed water coming in the top vents, that's not to say it can't happen though.

It does have a big footprint but saying that if your only using a half nest you could feasably pitch over a rock or lump provided it is in the uncovered half.

It comes with pretty good pegs but  you need to take care when removing them as they can strip your skin.   I must add some loops to them.

When I can I'll post mods I've made to Scarp, I saw them on Stephen's Scarp.

 I have permission to do so, so am not stealing his idea

 They make pitching cross poles easier and main corners. Can be less fiddley and done with gloves on.