Solo woodburning stove and meths burner

Any good?

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24/06/2012 at 20:03
I'm looking at one of these stoves for my next trip to N Norway and Sweden. Usually use gas there but it's very expensive and wood is reasonably easy to get lower down (below about 800m), but we might have to carry a couple of days' supply. We may be up to 2 weeks from supplies, so gathering fuel along the way makes sense. Quite taken with these stoves, as they have a double burning system which reduces smoke(and blackened pans?)and improves efficiency. Obviously no good in a tent, but they make an alcohol burner for it too, so taking that would save taking a gas stove.
Questions: 1) I've not used such a (wood) cooker before. How much wood does one need for two people per night, if one was to carry a day or two spare? We tend to have at least a 3/4 pint mug of tea then soup before supper.
2) I've not really used alcohol stoves, either, preferring gas or paraffin, and wonder how one manages to simmer stuff for, say, up to 8 minutes?
3) Is there another alcohol burner one might use? The Solo one weighs 3.5 ozs - almost as much as a Trangia one! But it does have a fuel-proof lid.
Any other comments/suggestions would be appreciated - thanks.
24/06/2012 at 21:39

Are you referring to this one?

http://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/solo_stove.html

It looks very much like a rip-off of Fritz Handl's Bushbuddy.  If it works in the same way, it is quite a fun stove.  I wouldn't place too much faith in the claims of cleaner burning - the pot I use with my Bushbuddy still gets sooty.

In terms of volume of wood, you need a couple of fistfuls of twigs to boil 500ml of water so multiply up from there.  You will also get better results using a windshield.  As you can see from the pictures, the potstand projects upwards from the body of the stove and the flames can be blown horizontally away from the underside of the pot in a breeze.

Bear in mind that you will need a pot slightly bigger than the stove to transport it in as the double-wall construction can easily be dented. 

I imagine that most meths burners will fit inside the stove as alternative to wood burning.  You could also place the potstand on the ground and put a meths burner inside it.

24/06/2012 at 22:17
Thanks Jake - yes, that's the one. Tried to copy link to US site but couldn't. Reviews I've seen suggest it's better than the Bushbuddy, but a bit heavier. Really helpful comments - thanks.
We have thought over our last trips there that wood would be good. We've had really dry weather, too, so dry fuel wouldn't have been a problem. But maybe lucky - and about to change???
The problem will be that we have little time to experiment (wood and meths), tho my mate's retired and is keen on getting one, so hopefully will have time to try it out. He's not sure if he can make the trip yet, so it might be just me.
25/06/2012 at 03:10
I have and have enjoyed using a Bushbuddy. The design is significantly better than generic 'folding box' type wood stoves I've used, but is delicate enough that you need to protect it with a specific shaped pot, limiting your choice of cookware. Small meths stoves sit inside it fine, saving a little space.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3sok51ekN1qz4jbro1_500.jpg


NB You can see damage around the top in that picture, caused when I fell heavily and put a dent in the pot, which transferred to the stove. Without the pot, the stove would've been crushed.
Edited: 25/06/2012 at 03:16
25/06/2012 at 09:26

have a look at one of these.

http://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/trail_designs_ti_tri_stove_with_inferno_insert_and_baseplate_for_msr_titan_kettle.html

im a big fan of the caldera cone, having used one for the last 4 years. its simple design, efficent on fuel and very light. 20mls of meths being enough to bring a rolling boil.

cooking on it is abit of a faff as theres no control but for pasta-soup and any other packet muck its fine. i cant really comment on its woodburning abilities though but the chap can

chris townsend wrote.

Caldera Inferno Ti-Tri Sidewinder cook system

This is a great cooking system that I really enjoy using, especially as a wood burner. Lightweight, compact, efficient and works whatever the weather. On the PNT I used it mostly with wood for the first 6 weeks and then with alcohol most of the wet final month. It worked fine with both fuels.

Edited: 25/06/2012 at 09:32
25/06/2012 at 09:30
25/06/2012 at 11:19
If I was buying a whole system from scratch (pots, stove, etc) I'd be very tempted by the Tri-ti, but it does lock you into a specific pan.

Re: points 2 & 3 above, I use a Triad meths stove, but again, if I was buying from scratch I'd be very tempted by a Packafeather stove.
25/06/2012 at 11:48
The tri-ti is a great system - I like mine. But it is pan specific as MW mentions unless you just want to use it as a wood-burner; then as long as you size up you are OK.
25/06/2012 at 21:14

You mention simmering for 8 minutes, instead of simmering have a think about using a Pot Cosy or even a bag cosy for dried foods (pasta, rice etc.). This saves fuel, which is quite handy if using meths. Very easy to make if you are that way inclined.

Moley

25/06/2012 at 23:25
Hi Moley. Thanks - I have a cosy but not really used it - maybe I'd better try! More stuff to take, but good if it saves fuel. Is the difference significant?
26/06/2012 at 10:41
Another plus point for a pot cosy is that it minimises transfer of soot to the rest of your kit. Having said that, I never found it to be a huge problem using a mixed fuel system; alternating wood plus gas/alcohol seemed to bake any soot onto the pot, so a quick clean after cooking was all that was needed. These days I'm following up on other OMers tips and using my hat as a pot cosy - works pretty much as well, but wood stove soot would be an issue.
26/06/2012 at 14:50

I use a bushcooker also a double wall woodburner. If I had to start from scratch again I would again go for a double wall burner but a titanium one. A Bushcooker Lt. The smallest weighs a mere 2.4 oz and is good for boiling water for 1 person.

The tactics with woodburning:

Always make sure you have enough dry wood for 2-3 days and of course enough kindle to light the fire. A dry stash of bark from birch is perfect. If weather is perfect you could carry less.

Each day make new wood to replace what you have burned. Doesn't matter if the outside is wet. Just cut it to pieces and split it and put it in a 'wet' bag. It has 2-3 days to dry. When reasonably dry transfer to the dry bag. I carried in total a medium plastic shopping bag with dry and wet wood, knife, saw and kindle. That was enough volume to cook water each day for a family of 4.

cook water in batches of max. 500ml. More takes to long and isn't efficient.

Make wood with a knife with the batonning technique. Split the wood.

Use dry food that only needs to rehydrate,. Boil water, at to dried food, perhaps try to bring it again to boil and then just stash it away for 10-15 minutes in a cosy or whatever where the pot  keeps warm and hot.

 Almost any spirit cup fits in a bushbuddy/cokker style burner. A windshield is paramount!

Soot is something you have to live with, use a pot that you don't mind it gets sooted.

26/06/2012 at 21:05
Many thanks all - really helpful stuff here. Will continue to work on it - good to think of saving on horrendously expensive gas! £32 for 4 x 250s in Norway in 2008...
27/06/2012 at 05:08
I'm still selling a Whitebox stove (and windshield), ideal should your culinary ambitions not extend beyond boiling water for packet meals...
27/06/2012 at 15:38
I use a Tri-Ti. A handful of twigs will boil the water in my 1.5 l pot and the set up in incredibly stable. As to being locked into a specific pot, true in theory but... in practice it's very versatile, I can use a smaller pot or do two pot cooking with the one set up:

You can use a smaller pot by sticking the two pegs through the holes in the cone. This provides a stable rack which supports my smaller pot (a MSR Titan kettle). Obviously some heat is then lost between the pot and the side of cone, but I imagine its still more efficient than any system that doesn't have a cone protecting the flame. I tend to use the meth burner on this set up as otherwise the twig flames burn like furies.

You can cook in two pots simultaneously by using the big cone to hold your cone specific pot (My evernew 1.5l) and using the smaller cone (which is intended to be inverted for the wood burning set up) with the two peg stakes to hold the Titan Kettle. I can cook with meths under the big pot and a nisbet under the small pot if I am doing something so fancy that two are pots required.

Obviously on the two pot method you can't use wood as you have deconstructed the wood burning set up.

Its a hot little miracle.

Edited: 27/06/2012 at 15:40
29/06/2012 at 19:41

CALDERA CONE SIDEWINDER by TRAIL DESIGNS

I have the Trail Designs Sidewinder kit with the optional Inferno woodburning insert. The Sidewinder and Tri Ti come with an alky  (meths)  stove and a clever and efficient ESBIT tablet holder called a "Gram Cracker". AS I said, teh Inferno wood burner innards issold separately. A bit 'spensive but well worth it. You can dook in a gale with that stove.

The Sidewinder and Tri Ti are both made of titanium to withstand the heat of a woodburning stove. The Inferno insert cone and bottom screen create a Bushbuddy-like gasifier convection and re-combust most unburned gasses, making it hotter. I can cook for 20 minutes with two big handsful of finger sized hardwood sticks like oak. One handful of wood gets it going and I feed the rest as needed.

 Sidewinder models roll up and fit in a Tyvek sleeve and then fit in the pot for which the stove is made for. The T.D. alky burner must be carried outside the cook pot. For my solo camping I opted for the 3 cup pot/stove combo. I use only ESBIT tabs or wood. Alcohol (meths) is not my thing.

IMHO there is no more efficient woodburner than the titanium Trail Designs stoves W/Inferno insert. And I'd bet they are the lightest and most compact woodburners as well.

29/06/2012 at 20:16

CALDERA CONE SIDEWINDER by TRAIL DESIGNS

I have the Trail Designs Sidewinder kit with the optional Inferno woodburning insert. The Sidewinder and Tri Ti come with an alky  (meths)  stove and a clever and efficient ESBIT tablet holder called a "Gram Cracker". AS I said, the Inferno wood burner insert kit is sold separately. A bit 'spensive but well worth it. You can cook in a gale with that stove.

The Sidewinder and Tri Ti are both made of titanium to withstand the heat of a woodburning stove. The Inferno insert cone and bottom screen create a Bushbuddy-like gasifier convection and re-combust most unburned gasses, making it hotter. I can cook for 20 minutes with two big handsful of finger sized hardwood sticks like oak. One handful of wood gets it going and I feed the rest as needed. Much easier to feed than a Bushbuddy, which requires constant feeding.

Sidewinder models roll up and fit in a Tyvek sleeve and then fit in the pot for which the stove is made for. The T.D. alky burner must be carried outside the cook pot. For my solo camping I opted for the 3 cup (750 ml.) pot/stove combo. I use only ESBIT tabs or wood. Alcohol (meths) is not my thing. Tri Ti models should come with a Tyvek sleeve but I don't think they do. You can always make one. It's much lighter than a plastic caddy.

IMHO there is no more efficient woodburner than the titanium Trail Designs stoves W/Inferno insert. And I'd bet they are the lightest and most compact woodburners as well.

BTW, whatever you get be sure you get a pot that is wider than it is tall for maximum efficiency.  i.e. "Mugs" are not efficient pots. This width-to-height ratio thing has been well proven in tests.

Edited: 29/06/2012 at 20:23
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