summer waterproof shell

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11/05/2012 at 21:15
Hi all.
I am a dedicated paramo wearer, but I need a waterproof shell just for summer use, when my velez is too warm.
Ive been looking at the montane minimus.
Has anyone got longterm experience of this jacket?.
how does it cope with being used with a lightweight rucksack?.
ive seen a report of one de-laminating after three days under rucksack straps!!.
if anyone has used something similar at a similar price, and had success with it, then please let me know. All advice is much welcomed!!!!.
cheers!,
11/05/2012 at 21:31
I dont rate it at all. Mine has seeped like a bugger from day one when wearing a pack.
11/05/2012 at 21:38
Yeah, maybe im wishing. For too much for something the weight of cotton candy!.
I wonder if a velez light, worn next too the skin, with no baselayer would be too warm.
11/05/2012 at 21:38

Like you Im a massive Paramo fan but I have been using the Karrimor Alpiniste Event for a few weeks now...£90 and its amazing (in my opinion). Usual EVENT exceptional breathability, very robust yet very light, completely waterproof and excellent cut. Its my best buy in a few years.

Check out sports direct...its honestly excellent.

11/05/2012 at 21:44
Yeah ive seen the buzz on this site about that coat!.
Is it very noisy in use like most 3layer shells?.
Does it pack down small?.
How is the sizing?.
12/05/2012 at 09:31

No its not a noisy shell at all.

It packs nice and small.

Its nice and light yet feels very robust.

For wearing with a pack it beats the Montane hands down.

Being EVENT no pit zips are required which makes it instantly more comfortable to wear.

I find the sizing excellent....the arms are a good length, the cut is short (which I prefer) but the drop down back works well. Its an athletic cut but not restrictively so. I am 5'7, 31/32in waist, 37 chest & am wearing the small size...I can comfortably fit a midlayer underneath. Its a nice summer cut...no excess material to flap in the wind. The zips are spot on (YKK) and do not leak at all, its a simple yet effective hood, the wired peak is just right, the pockets are perfectly sized and well positioned and the hem is not 'too snug.'

I have wore it so far in strong cold winds, glorious sunshine and miserable contstant rain...its kept me dry and comfortable in them all.

For a summer jacket I thinks its got to be this years best buy...its much better than some of my more expensive shells.

Try in on in one of the local stores then buy online...its a tenner cheaper with free delivery and you get a free mug (every little helps).

Of course nothing compares to the comfort of Paramo but autumn will be here again soon enough!

Good luck!

12/05/2012 at 12:37

Hi Dave looks a pretty good deal that do you know what weight it is as i can't find any info on it

Ta

12/05/2012 at 15:46
My size small weighs 398 grams weighed on pretty accurate scales. Thats light enough for a tough jacket!
12/05/2012 at 16:41

Well for me that'd be more than enough to rule it out as a candidate for summer use complimenting Paramo.

Thats because I don't wear my shells an awful lot - Windshirts etc instead a lot of the time - so do prioritise weight a lot.  Of course behaving like that does also let me get away with good lifetimes out of lighter jackets.

Think this is how you basically have to behave to make the minimus - and RABs pulse/kinetic, Marmot's very light ones etc - work sensibly.

There is also of course a fair bit of room to compromise between 200 and ~400g in weight. Plenty of three layer jackets around 300g or so - Montane's Air, RABs momentum/demand smock, Rohans elite etc, Haglofs Endo etc. Or for a little bit less money, still light and fairly tough - those heavier Mammut/RAB 2.5 jackets featured on the main pages here.

Those will all cost at least a little more too of course, so another decision cf priorities Impossible to decide these things for you.

Edited: 12/05/2012 at 16:44
12/05/2012 at 18:15

Everyone will have their own opinions. All I know is that I have owned an awful lot of Shell jackets and the Karrimor is the best hard shell I have bought. Im a Paramo guy first and foremost but like most others find it too warm for late spring/summer temperatures. But as UK summers are pretty hit and miss and prolonged spells of rain are common enough...I like something that will do the job regardless of the variable weather.

The Karrimor is tough...you can wear a pack all day long in the rain without seepage. It is light, simple, squashes very small, full mountain hood with wired peak, excellent fit, EVENT is excellent and looks very good indeed...and its only £90 flippin quid!

I own a few lighter shells including the Minimus & Kinetic...I find them good for running, fair weather, emergency garment for day hikes etc...but they do wet out quickly and they are simply not great for pack use...even light packs.

So Steve...I do reckon you should go try the Karrimor on in the store...you can then wear it and forget it until autumn arrives and the Paramo comes back out to play!

12/05/2012 at 19:38

Oh sure, its unarguably (very) good value

Just pointing out that there are plausible and non trivially lighter options, because some of us do count that as rather important. The demand smock say is only ~150 in practice so not runious.

That'd take a pack entirely comfortably as would say the Volt.

12/05/2012 at 19:46
You make a good case dave!.
Are any of your paramo jackets analogy light?.
Would you say they in summer they could be worn next to the skin without a baselayer?.
I will have to go into town and try a karrimor on.
Deffo sounds good!!
12/05/2012 at 19:50

Paramo non ideal next to skin really. Fine on legs mind, less so on the main body. Anyway a thin synthetic base layer makes more sense and adds basically no warmth anyway

Edited: 12/05/2012 at 19:50
12/05/2012 at 20:15
I have been using a Montane Quickire for 3 years or so, it's now discontinued which is a shame. My Large come in at 330g.

I did try a Montane Lightspeed but the breathability was rubbish, I was half thinking of trying out the Minimus but getting conflicting reports on the durability.

12/05/2012 at 20:56
Ive just bought a montane windproof with hood for 22quid on feid and trek.
Ill use this in wind light rain, and then keep my eye out for a velez light, second hand on flea bay.
After years on paramo im hooked!!, the velez light will be light enough to stay in my pack for summer, then be worn for the rest of the yr.
13/05/2012 at 13:01

I'm tempted by the Karrimor jacket, but I am 6'1" with a long torso: it looks pretty short in the body from the photos.  Anyone who's used one got any views about length/fit?

And I have a Minimus.  Never used it with a pack, but for fast moving in lousy weather, I've rarely come across anything better.  The first one I had came with a defective [leaking] main zip, but that was replaced without a problem.  No delaminating or other defects so far, but I share the reservations about just how robust it would prove with a pack.

14/05/2012 at 11:45
wanderingdave wrote (see)
My size small weighs 398 grams weighed on pretty accurate scales. Thats light enough for a tough jacket!

Thanks for that mate i will try to see if they have them in my local store to try as i will probably be a small as well. If not may just order a couple online and send back what doesn't fit. 

14/05/2012 at 12:23
As I said in a previous thread the Jacket is cut to a shorter length, hence the name  Alpiniste.  Most large Sports Direct stores are selling it so its easy to get a chance to try one on and see how it fits.  I agree with all that wanderinglove says about the Jacket.  The build quality is as good, if not better, than comparable Rab and Montaine Event Jackets that I own.  The two main pockets are positioned so they are clear of a climbing harness or Rucksack hipbelt and are mesh lined rather than two layers of Event and are big enough to give decent venting options in the absence of "pit zips".  The other external pocket, it has no internal pockets, will not hold a map but is just big enough for things like a wallet, GPS or compass.
14/05/2012 at 17:03
I cannot recommend a goog one - if you find one that works, please let us know. However I would warn against Paclite. I wasted precious pounds on one of these jackets and have found it leaks and does not breath very well. Maybe I was expecting too much from a lightweight but I have been the wettest I have ever been when relying on one of these jackets.
14/05/2012 at 18:27
happyhiker wrote (see)
I cannot recommend a goog one - if you find one that works, please let us know. However I would warn against Paclite. I wasted precious pounds on one of these jackets and have found it leaks and does not breath very well. Maybe I was expecting too much from a lightweight but I have been the wettest I have ever been when relying on one of these jackets.


Yes, I feel paclite has kind of had its day.

The Karrimor is cut short but I find it a 'comfortable' short with a nice drop at the back which I found adequate enough even when out for a blast in the bike.

For me its proving to be an exceptionally breathable, well cut, very light yet very tough summer jacket that copes really well in warmer temps & doesnt give up when Im running very hot. I was up Donard today and the rain and wind were atrocious...and I stayed dry and comfortable all afternoon.

As Ashley says...the Sports Direct stores have them so it will be easy to try one...Im sure not everyone will like them and Im sure many will still be hesitant due to the brands reputation in recent years (As I was) but anything I has said about the jacket is based on recent experience & I'm so quick to reccomend it as I am very surprised at just how good it is...I dont care who makes it...its an out and out BARGAIN!!!

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